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A NEW £12,000 community centre complete with laptops has been built at Dale Farm traveller camp...with taxpayers' money and without planning permission.
Travellers at the Crays Hill unauthorised site will unveil the county council-funded log cabin at a special launch event on Saturday.
There will be beers and a buffet and it will be attended by a member of the House of Lords, a catholic priest and a race relations boss.
The building, called St Christopher's, will be used for community meetings and as a chapel and IT school for kids.
On top of sealing the grant, the Essex Racial Equality Council is still having a whip round to gather a further £850 to install toilets - otherwise visitors will have to use travellers' homes.
On Saturday, the building will be blessed by Father John Glynn of Our Lady of Good Counsel Church, Wickford. There will also be speeches by Lib Dem peer Lord Avebury, Clive Mardner, director of equality council, who sponsored the project and bid for the cash, and site spokesman Richard Sheridan, Gypsy Council president.
News of the community centre has infuriated residents and politicians. It means more unauthorised work has taken place before the High Court decides if 86 families should face eviction.
Billericay MP John Baron has already urged the National Lottery to stop funding the equality council because he claims it is "biased to travellers".
He said: "Supporting a community centre on an illegal site shows a clear bias and discriminates against the law-abiding majority. The equality council should provide fairness for all. By backing this centre, it has contributed to community tensions."
The equality council used the cash it got from a county council youth fund to buy the building and computers.
Grattan Puxon, a lead campaigner for the site, has named the centre after a school he helped build on a site facing eviction on the outskirts of Dublin in the 1960s, where some ancestors of travellers at Dale Farm once lived.
He said: "We are very optimistic the judge's ruling will go in our favour, so the community centre will be very beneficial.
"James Dasinger, a US volunteer living at the site, will run IT lessons for children."
He said he did not believe the building required planning permission and said the equality council had pushed the project forward.
Basildon Council leader Malcolm Buckley said: "If any breaches of planning have occurred they will be subject to enforcement action.
"I believe the equality council has done more damage to race relations in the district than any other organisation."
County: We will investigate
ESSEX County Council said it will investigate if funds have been provided inappropriately.
A statement said: "We expect all applications to strictly adhere to planning legislation and guidance. Where a planning application is required, it is for the sponsor of each bid to ensure the correct process is met.
"Where this has not happened and where breaches have occurred, we, together with the relevant district council will take the appropriate action. We are currently investigating together with Basildon Council."
A total of £9,894 was awarded for provision of lap-tops and to construct the log cabin, for use for education, literacy and health. A further £2,011 was given for extra expenses. The statement added the funding was from a Government youth grant.
6:20am Thursday 1st May 2008
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CommentPosted by: dave turner on 4:37pm Wed 30 Apr 08
THIS BEGGARS BELIEVE!!!!!
THIS BEGGARS BELIEVE!!!!!
Posted by: me, bas on 4:45pm Wed 30 Apr 08
PROTEST!
Posted by: Seen it on 4:52pm Wed 30 Apr 08
"Travellers at the unauthorised Dale Farm site, Crays Hill unauthorised, will unveil the Essex County Council-funded log cabin...."
Is this authorised, this log cabin thingy?
"Travellers at the unauthorised Dale Farm site, Crays Hill unauthorised, will unveil the Essex County Council-funded log cabin...."
Is this authorised, this log cabin thingy?
Posted by: piano hinges on 5:00pm Wed 30 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Seen it[/bold] wrote:
"Travellers at the unauthorised Dale Farm site, Crays Hill unauthorised, will unveil the Essex County Council-funded log cabin...." Is this authorised, this log cabin thingy?[/quote] Actually it appears that the whole of Crays Hill is unauthorised! Classic Echo clanger.
Seen it wrote:
"Travellers at the unauthorised Dale Farm site, Crays Hill unauthorised, will unveil the Essex County Council-funded log cabin...." Is this authorised, this log cabin thingy?
Actually it appears that the whole of Crays Hill is unauthorised! Classic Echo clanger.
Posted by: Seen it on 5:04pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Of course!
Let's see if this LAVISH buffet meets the standards/costs of southend council's lavish events!
Of course!
Let's see if this LAVISH buffet meets the standards/costs of southend council's lavish events!
Posted by: piano hinges on 5:08pm Wed 30 Apr 08
What staggers me, apart from the Echo editing, is the fact that this new place is (apparently) "built without permission"... [italic]by The Council[/italic].
Does this mean we'll see thousands of our council tax pounds wasted on yet another court case, where the Council attempt to evict themselves??
You couldn't make it up. Welcome to Essex.
What staggers me, apart from the Echo editing, is the fact that this new place is (apparently) "built without permission"...
by The Council.
Does this mean we'll see thousands of our council tax pounds wasted on yet another court case, where the Council attempt to evict themselves??
You couldn't make it up. Welcome to Essex.
Posted by: undertaker, crays hill on 5:21pm Wed 30 Apr 08
This is the first time i am lost for words.
This is the first time i am lost for words.
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 5:31pm Wed 30 Apr 08
They already have church and school facilities, funded by the taxpayer. They have a whole bl00dy school to themselves fergodsake.
Meetings? What for? They have a team of paid do-gooders doing their bidding for them already. And the school was always used for village meetings, other than the church hall of course. But no, of course, THEY have to have state of the art facilities because they're "protected people".
This is a joke, right?
Sometime soon, what goes around will have to come around. Law of averages says so.
They already have church and school facilities, funded by the taxpayer. They have a whole bl00dy school to themselves fergodsake.
Meetings? What for? They have a team of paid do-gooders doing their bidding for them already. And the school was always used for village meetings, other than the church hall of course. But no, of course, THEY have to have state of the art facilities because they're "protected people".
This is a joke, right?
Sometime soon, what goes around will have to come around. Law of averages says so.
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 5:57pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Watch this space.. As soon as this story is published, contact details will be posted. Get your pens and emails ready.
And be ready to let them have it full throttle.
This is taking the p*** and we have to put these people in touch with reality.
Time to unleash the full venom of the law abiding taxpaying public on those responsible.
I am of course talking about WRITTEN PROTESTS, not violence.
But we can make a start by writing to Billericay MP John Baron - email baronj@parliament.uk to register our disgust.
Watch this space.. As soon as this story is published, contact details will be posted. Get your pens and emails ready.
And be ready to let them have it full throttle.
This is taking the p*** and we have to put these people in touch with reality.
Time to unleash the full venom of the law abiding taxpaying public on those responsible.
I am of course talking about WRITTEN PROTESTS, not violence.
But we can make a start by writing to Billericay MP John Baron - email baronj@parliament.uk to register our disgust.
Posted by: psionik, Essex on 5:57pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Er – this is April 30th not April 1st
Er – this is April 30th not April 1st
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 6:01pm Wed 30 Apr 08
What are the Crays Hill Residents' Association going to do about it then?
I no longer live there but I have a house there and am an Essex County Council taxpayer so it IS my business.
What are the Crays Hill Residents' Association going to do about it then?
I no longer live there but I have a house there and am an Essex County Council taxpayer so it IS my business.
Posted by: Margaret Stoll, Rochford on 6:07pm Wed 30 Apr 08
So who has paid for all this - no, don't tell me, the poor bl**dy taxpayer. How is this possible, if it's 'without planning permission'? I thought efforts were being made to evict these unauthorised residents?
I read a letter some while ago about a tragic case, a man who lived in a caravan in a pig farm on green belt land. Foot-and-mouth arrived, pigs all slaughtered, no pig farm, result: man evicted. He died from the effects of being forced to sleep in a car because he 'wasn't entitled to' be rehoused or to live on green belt land with no pig farm. Anyone out there know the case I'm referring to? Poor man.
This log cabin has been built with taxpayers' money on green belt land, without planning permission? Was this on the orders of the unelected regional authority, which seems to call the shots these days? Can nothing be done to stop these abuses?
So who has paid for all this - no, don't tell me, the poor bl**dy taxpayer. How is this possible, if it's 'without planning permission'? I thought efforts were being made to evict these unauthorised residents?
I read a letter some while ago about a tragic case, a man who lived in a caravan in a pig farm on green belt land. Foot-and-mouth arrived, pigs all slaughtered, no pig farm, result: man evicted. He died from the effects of being forced to sleep in a car because he 'wasn't entitled to' be rehoused or to live on green belt land with no pig farm. Anyone out there know the case I'm referring to? Poor man.
This log cabin has been built with taxpayers' money on green belt land, without planning permission? Was this on the orders of the unelected regional authority, which seems to call the shots these days? Can nothing be done to stop these abuses?
Posted by: evilc, essex on 6:40pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Human Rights Actthe New labour Fools introduced!!
If a Solicitor is reading this surely there must be an offence committed by ECC for aiding and abetting an unlawful action or something similar.
This is absolutely appalling!!
Do we the payers of tax have no say?
Human Rights Actthe New labour Fools introduced!!
If a Solicitor is reading this surely there must be an offence committed by ECC for aiding and abetting an unlawful action or something similar.
This is absolutely appalling!!
Do we the payers of tax have no say?
Posted by: rob atkins, leigh on 7:15pm Wed 30 Apr 08
don't get referendum, over euro do you expect to get even thought about a thing like this ....errr no chance
don't get referendum, over euro do you expect to get even thought about a thing like this ....errr no chance
Posted by: Vernon, Basildon on 8:28pm Wed 30 Apr 08
[bold]What staggers me, apart from the Echo editing, is the fact that this new place is (apparently) "built without permission"... by The Council.[/bold]
I don't think it was actually built by the council, the county council helped fund it, but £12k for a community centre?Maybe whoever got it done for that price should go for the sports village contract!Next year when Crays Hill School publishes its attendance figures, which will be lower than ever, you can bet that travellers say that the kids are being taught at the centre ;)
[bold].....attended by a Lib Dem member of the House of Lords, a Catholic priest and race relations boss on Saturday.[/bold]
Well I hope the race relations 'Boss' goes easy on them and remembers that its only a few that exploit ethnic minorities as slaves.
What staggers me, apart from the Echo editing, is the fact that this new place is (apparently) "built without permission"... by The Council.
I don't think it was actually built by the council, the county council helped fund it, but £12k for a community centre?Maybe whoever got it done for that price should go for the sports village contract!Next year when Crays Hill School publishes its attendance figures, which will be lower than ever, you can bet that travellers say that the kids are being taught at the centre ;)
.....attended by a Lib Dem member of the House of Lords, a Catholic priest and race relations boss on Saturday.
Well I hope the race relations 'Boss' goes easy on them and remembers that its only a few that exploit ethnic minorities as slaves.
Posted by: Sally, Canvey on 9:43pm Wed 30 Apr 08
"Actually it appears that the whole of Crays Hill is unauthorised! Classic Echo clanger"
What do you mean Piano hinges?
"Actually it appears that the whole of Crays Hill is unauthorised! Classic Echo clanger"
What do you mean Piano hinges?
Posted by: Margaret Stoll, Rochford on 10:21pm Wed 30 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sally[/bold] wrote:
<b> "Actually it appears that the whole of Crays Hill is unauthorised! Classic Echo clanger"
What do you mean Piano hinges?</b>[/quote] I think it means that all the caravans are there illegally. Apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) green belt land was bought for cash, but no planning permission has ever been given for residential development in the green belt. Therefore all the people living there - travellers who apparently don't want to travel - are there illegally. There are some hotshot 'lawyers' who have sussed out every possible loophole, delaying tactic that there is and then invented more, and it goes on and on.
Building a community centre for them like this implies long-term residence. We haven't even got a community centre where I live, on the Anne Boleyn Estate at Rochford, and there are about 700 houses (I should know, having leafletted every one of them in the last week or two!) But hey, what do you expect. We're all English taxpayers who live here, we can't expect to have our basic human rights considered, can we?
Living in the green belt is not allowed if you're a poor guy who loses his livelihood through foot-and-mouth, but if you're a traveller who doesn't want to travel or to go back to Ireland but who wants to make a mess of our English countryside, feel free, be welcome!
Sally wrote:
<b> "Actually it appears that the whole of Crays Hill is unauthorised! Classic Echo clanger"
What do you mean Piano hinges?</b>
I think it means that all the caravans are there illegally. Apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) green belt land was bought for cash, but no planning permission has ever been given for residential development in the green belt. Therefore all the people living there - travellers who apparently don't want to travel - are there illegally. There are some hotshot 'lawyers' who have sussed out every possible loophole, delaying tactic that there is and then invented more, and it goes on and on.
Building a community centre for them like this implies long-term residence. We haven't even got a community centre where I live, on the Anne Boleyn Estate at Rochford, and there are about 700 houses (I should know, having leafletted every one of them in the last week or two!) But hey, what do you expect. We're all English taxpayers who live here, we can't expect to have our basic human rights considered, can we?
Living in the green belt is not allowed if you're a poor guy who loses his livelihood through foot-and-mouth, but if you're a traveller who doesn't want to travel or to go back to Ireland but who wants to make a mess of our English countryside, feel free, be welcome!
Posted by: Tom, Southend on 11:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
You couldn't make this up if you tried. Britain is the laughing stock of Europe. The last thing we shoud be doing is giving taxpayers money to people who contibute nothing and ignore the law. The people involved in this decision should hang their heads in shame.
You couldn't make this up if you tried. Britain is the laughing stock of Europe. The last thing we shoud be doing is giving taxpayers money to people who contibute nothing and ignore the law. The people involved in this decision should hang their heads in shame.
Posted by: jimbo, billericay on 11:39pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Come on then Messrs Baron and Buckley, have you nothing to say?
We know you read this board, you must have an opinion, surely!!!!
Your silence is deafening. This is a good opportunity for you to stand up and be counted.
Perhaps its not in your political interests, heh?
Come on then Messrs Baron and Buckley, have you nothing to say?
We know you read this board, you must have an opinion, surely!!!!
Your silence is deafening. This is a good opportunity for you to stand up and be counted.
Perhaps its not in your political interests, heh?
Posted by: midnight warrier, wickford on 12:14am Thu 1 May 08
Could this be corruption on a scale that exceeds belief. Yes, get your protests to John Baron and government, this is a complete farce and an embezzlement of the tax payers money. I feel almost speechless it is a disgusting waste of money. Let's turn up on Saturday with our protest banners, what a joke.
Could this be corruption on a scale that exceeds belief. Yes, get your protests to John Baron and government, this is a complete farce and an embezzlement of the tax payers money. I feel almost speechless it is a disgusting waste of money. Let's turn up on Saturday with our protest banners, what a joke.
Posted by: Bob, Pitsea on 7:19am Thu 1 May 08
Make sure you get out and vote today. If you can't be bothered to get off your backsides to make the effort, you can't complain when things like this happen.
Make sure you get out and vote today. If you can't be bothered to get off your backsides to make the effort, you can't complain when things like this happen.
Posted by: piano hinges on 8:25am Thu 1 May 08
Without wishing to take sides, a few things leap out at me from the comments so far:
[quote]They have a whole bl00dy school to themselves[/quote]
Correct me if I’m wrong – and I’m sure someone will! – but isn’t this school solely attended by Traveller children because the local settled parents voluntarily withdrew their kids? An article in the Independent in 2004 appears to show this.
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/educat
ion/education-news/s
chool-where-every-pu
pil-bar-one-is-a-tra
veller-533047.html
[quote]They have a team of paid do-gooders[/quote]
I’d love to have seen the recruitment ad for these jobs! “Wanted – someone to do good, get paid for it, and wind up the Daily Mail readers just by breathing. Must have own passport.” Can anyone shed any light on who this “team” is, what they actually do (beyond do-gooding, whatever that is) and who pays for them? I would like to know more about this.
(Also, since when did doing good become derogatory??!)
[quote]pikeys..... scum of the earth who cause nothing but mayhem and unrest where ever they feel free to go. dumping rubbish here there and every where, ripping people off left right and centre and offending my sense of smell because they stink![/quote]
What a nice fella you are Dr Bond. I'm sure you smell very fragrant.
[quote]£12k for a community centre?Maybe whoever got it done for that price should go for the sports village contract![/quote]
Haha, good point! Or maybe even the Olympic stadium. £12K does seem like a very small sum indeed.
[quote]all the caravans are there illegally[/quote]
[quote]all the people living there - travellers who apparently don't want to travel - are there illegally[/quote]
Not true as far as I know – again, do correct me if I’m wrong but many of the “caravans” (not really what they are but never mind) actually do have planning permission. It’s just not the case that every single person living there is doing so illegally.
[quote]Come on then Messrs Baron and Buckley, have you nothing to say?[/quote]
That would be nice wouldn’t it. I thought we elected these people to be accountable to us. Their silence does them no favours.
[quote]Make sure you get out and vote today[/quote]
Best advice on the page so far.
And before I get the usual “you don’t live there so you can’t comment” comebacks, one final quote from above.
[quote]I … am an Essex County Council taxpayer so it IS my business[/quote]
And as an ECC taxpayer it’s my business too.
Without wishing to take sides, a few things leap out at me from the comments so far:
They have a whole bl00dy school to themselves
Correct me if I’m wrong – and I’m sure someone will! – but isn’t this school solely attended by Traveller children because the local settled parents voluntarily withdrew their kids? An article in the Independent in 2004 appears to show this.
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/educat
ion/education-news/s
chool-where-every-pu
pil-bar-one-is-a-tra
veller-533047.html
They have a team of paid do-gooders
I’d love to have seen the recruitment ad for these jobs! “Wanted – someone to do good, get paid for it, and wind up the Daily Mail readers just by breathing. Must have own passport.” Can anyone shed any light on who this “team” is, what they actually do (beyond do-gooding, whatever that is) and who pays for them? I would like to know more about this.
(Also, since when did doing good become derogatory??!)
pikeys..... scum of the earth who cause nothing but mayhem and unrest where ever they feel free to go. dumping rubbish here there and every where, ripping people off left right and centre and offending my sense of smell because they stink!
What a nice fella you are Dr Bond. I'm sure you smell very fragrant.
£12k for a community centre?Maybe whoever got it done for that price should go for the sports village contract!
Haha, good point! Or maybe even the Olympic stadium. £12K does seem like a very small sum indeed.
all the caravans are there illegally
all the people living there - travellers who apparently don't want to travel - are there illegally
Not true as far as I know – again, do correct me if I’m wrong but many of the “caravans” (not really what they are but never mind) actually do have planning permission. It’s just not the case that every single person living there is doing so illegally.
Come on then Messrs Baron and Buckley, have you nothing to say?
That would be nice wouldn’t it. I thought we elected these people to be accountable to us. Their silence does them no favours.
Make sure you get out and vote today
Best advice on the page so far.
And before I get the usual “you don’t live there so you can’t comment” comebacks, one final quote from above.
I … am an Essex County Council taxpayer so it IS my business
And as an ECC taxpayer it’s my business too.
Posted by: Wendy Holmes, Laindon on 9:00am Thu 1 May 08
Anybody wanna buy a cheap laptop ?
Anybody wanna buy a cheap laptop ?
Posted by: Gary, Basildon on 9:25am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]rob atkins[/bold] wrote:
don\'t get referendum, over euro do you expect to get even thought about a thing like this ....errr no chance[/quote] We still have the pound, so why would we want a referendum on the euro?
rob atkins wrote:
don\'t get referendum, over euro do you expect to get even thought about a thing like this ....errr no chance
We still have the pound, so why would we want a referendum on the euro?
Posted by: Gary, Basildon on 9:30am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Bob[/bold] wrote:
Make sure you get out and vote today. If you can\'t be bothered to get off your backsides to make the effort, you can\'t complain when things like this happen.[/quote] Also remember when voting that the Essex County Council who have funded the £12K are Tory run as to is Basildon council. It's a local issue that could be handled better.
Bob wrote:
Make sure you get out and vote today. If you can\'t be bothered to get off your backsides to make the effort, you can\'t complain when things like this happen.
Also remember when voting that the Essex County Council who have funded the £12K are Tory run as to is Basildon council. It's a local issue that could be handled better.
Posted by: shallotman, Basildon on 10:06am Thu 1 May 08
Build the olympic village there.[bold]bold[/bold]
Build the olympic village there.
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 10:20am Thu 1 May 08
Nose Poker Inner contacts:
Clive Mardner, Labour (what a surprise) councillor on Greenwich Council, Town Hall
Wellington St
Woolwich
London SE18 6PW 020 8311 4921 clive.mardner@greenw
ich.gov.uk
This man is also a crony of the Rev Thomas Acton, self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University.
Lord Avebury (LIBDEM peer, what a surprise) Do gooders' champion and the man behind the "services to the community awards" given to Kathleen McCarthy and Richard Sherisan
Email: ericavebury@gmail.co
m
House of Lords
London SW1A 0PW
Web: http://www.ericavebu
ry.blogspot.com
Stalwart do gooder
Father John Glynn Our Lady Of Good Counsel 61 London Road Wickford Essex SS12 0AW Tel: 01268 733219.
ALL THESE DETAILS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED FROM THE INTERNET
These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area.
What does that tell you? ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them because the truth hurts.
I am writing to all three.
I wish to state that I do not advocate or support the use of violence, threats or intimidation.
Unlike others.
Nose Poker Inner contacts:
Clive Mardner, Labour (what a surprise) councillor on Greenwich Council, Town Hall
Wellington St
Woolwich
London SE18 6PW 020 8311 4921 clive.mardner@greenw
ich.gov.uk
This man is also a crony of the Rev Thomas Acton, self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University.
Lord Avebury (LIBDEM peer, what a surprise) Do gooders' champion and the man behind the "services to the community awards" given to Kathleen McCarthy and Richard Sherisan
Email: ericavebury@gmail.co
m
House of Lords
London SW1A 0PW
Web: http://www.ericavebu
ry.blogspot.com
Stalwart do gooder
Father John Glynn Our Lady Of Good Counsel 61 London Road Wickford Essex SS12 0AW Tel: 01268 733219.
ALL THESE DETAILS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED FROM THE INTERNET
These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area.
What does that tell you? ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them because the truth hurts.
I am writing to all three.
I wish to state that I do not advocate or support the use of violence, threats or intimidation.
Unlike others.
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 10:22am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Gary[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bob[/bold] wrote: Make sure you get out and vote today. If you can\'t be bothered to get off your backsides to make the effort, you can\'t complain when things like this happen.[/quote] Also remember when voting that the Essex County Council who have funded the £12K are Tory run as to is Basildon council. It's a local issue that could be handled better. [/quote] Spot on Gary and if you read my above missive, you will see that the LibDems have also got their fingers in this.
Now I am trying to get the name of the bod at Essex CC that approved and wrote the cheque.
Gary wrote:
Bob wrote: Make sure you get out and vote today. If you can\'t be bothered to get off your backsides to make the effort, you can\'t complain when things like this happen.
Also remember when voting that the Essex County Council who have funded the £12K are Tory run as to is Basildon council. It's a local issue that could be handled better.
Spot on Gary and if you read my above missive, you will see that the LibDems have also got their fingers in this.
Now I am trying to get the name of the bod at Essex CC that approved and wrote the cheque.
Posted by: Robbie, Essex on 10:43am Thu 1 May 08
It is also worth noting that not only have essex cc wated £12,000 on this project they also held a jolly for the council at Stock Brook Manor this week where one of the closing comments of a speech the person mentioned the work the council were doing for the UNGRATEFUL ESSEX PEOPLE.
nice , we pay their wages and they say this about us
It is also worth noting that not only have essex cc wated £12,000 on this project they also held a jolly for the council at Stock Brook Manor this week where one of the closing comments of a speech the person mentioned the work the council were doing for the UNGRATEFUL ESSEX PEOPLE.
nice , we pay their wages and they say this about us
Posted by: piano hinges on 10:49am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
Nose Poker Inner contacts: Clive Mardner, Labour (what a surprise) councillor on Greenwich Council, Town Hall Wellington St Woolwich London SE18 6PW 020 8311 4921 clive.mardner@greenw ich.gov.uk This man is also a crony of the Rev Thomas Acton, self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University. Lord Avebury (LIBDEM peer, what a surprise) Do gooders' champion and the man behind the "services to the community awards" given to Kathleen McCarthy and Richard Sherisan Email: ericavebury@gmail.co m House of Lords London SW1A 0PW Web: http://www.ericavebu ry.blogspot.com Stalwart do gooder Father John Glynn Our Lady Of Good Counsel 61 London Road Wickford Essex SS12 0AW Tel: 01268 733219. ALL THESE DETAILS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED FROM THE INTERNET These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area. What does that tell you? ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them because the truth hurts. I am writing to all three. I wish to state that I do not advocate or support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Unlike others. [/quote] Interesting stuff there. I'm sure we would all like to see the text of the messages you send to these people expressing your concerns.
I also did some research because of your (strange) statement that "ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them".
Thomas Acton, far from being the "self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University" is in fact a Professor there. Not self-appointed, but appointed by the University. Just checking the facts.
Lord Avebury wasn't "behind" the awards you mention, he merely presented them. He did not make the decision on who won the award. Just checking the facts.
[quote]These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area.[/quote]
May I ask...
1. Cronies of whom?
2. How do you know with certainty who they have, and have not, spoken to?
3. Is London Road, Wickford "outside the area"? How is this arbitrary "area" drawn up and what qualifications must someone have in order to be deemed allowed to comment?
4. Who elected you as the arbiter of who can comment? You weren't "self-appointed" by any chance?
Very pleased to see you do not support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Who are these "others" to whom you refer?
I'd just like the facts. After all, according to you, I don't have them.
Many thanks.
Kim Gandy wrote:
Nose Poker Inner contacts: Clive Mardner, Labour (what a surprise) councillor on Greenwich Council, Town Hall Wellington St Woolwich London SE18 6PW 020 8311 4921 clive.mardner@greenw ich.gov.uk This man is also a crony of the Rev Thomas Acton, self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University. Lord Avebury (LIBDEM peer, what a surprise) Do gooders' champion and the man behind the "services to the community awards" given to Kathleen McCarthy and Richard Sherisan Email: ericavebury@gmail.co m House of Lords London SW1A 0PW Web: http://www.ericavebu ry.blogspot.com Stalwart do gooder Father John Glynn Our Lady Of Good Counsel 61 London Road Wickford Essex SS12 0AW Tel: 01268 733219. ALL THESE DETAILS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED FROM THE INTERNET These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area. What does that tell you? ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them because the truth hurts. I am writing to all three. I wish to state that I do not advocate or support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Unlike others.
Interesting stuff there. I'm sure we would all like to see the text of the messages you send to these people expressing your concerns.
I also did some research because of your (strange) statement that "ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them".
Thomas Acton, far from being the "self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University" is in fact a Professor there. Not self-appointed, but appointed by the University. Just checking the facts.
Lord Avebury wasn't "behind" the awards you mention, he merely presented them. He did not make the decision on who won the award. Just checking the facts.
These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area.
May I ask...
1. Cronies of whom?
2. How do you know with certainty who they have, and have not, spoken to?
3. Is London Road, Wickford "outside the area"? How is this arbitrary "area" drawn up and what qualifications must someone have in order to be deemed allowed to comment?
4. Who elected you as the arbiter of who can comment? You weren't "self-appointed" by any chance?
Very pleased to see you do not support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Who are these "others" to whom you refer?
I'd just like the facts. After all, according to you, I don't have them.
Many thanks.
Posted by: outsider, on the border on 11:13am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]piano hinges[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Nose Poker Inner contacts: Clive Mardner, Labour (what a surprise) councillor on Greenwich Council, Town Hall Wellington St Woolwich London SE18 6PW 020 8311 4921 clive.mardner@greenw ich.gov.uk This man is also a crony of the Rev Thomas Acton, self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University. Lord Avebury (LIBDEM peer, what a surprise) Do gooders' champion and the man behind the "services to the community awards" given to Kathleen McCarthy and Richard Sherisan Email: ericavebury@gmail.co m House of Lords London SW1A 0PW Web: http://www.ericavebu ry.blogspot.com Stalwart do gooder Father John Glynn Our Lady Of Good Counsel 61 London Road Wickford Essex SS12 0AW Tel: 01268 733219. ALL THESE DETAILS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED FROM THE INTERNET These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area. What does that tell you? ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them because the truth hurts. I am writing to all three. I wish to state that I do not advocate or support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Unlike others. [/quote] Interesting stuff there. I'm sure we would all like to see the text of the messages you send to these people expressing your concerns. I also did some research because of your (strange) statement that "ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them". Thomas Acton, far from being the "self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University" is in fact a Professor there. Not self-appointed, but appointed by the University. Just checking the facts. Lord Avebury wasn't "behind" the awards you mention, he merely presented them. He did not make the decision on who won the award. Just checking the facts. [quote]These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area.[/quote] May I ask... 1. Cronies of whom? 2. How do you know with certainty who they have, and have not, spoken to? 3. Is London Road, Wickford "outside the area"? How is this arbitrary "area" drawn up and what qualifications must someone have in order to be deemed allowed to comment? 4. Who elected you as the arbiter of who can comment? You weren't "self-appointed" by any chance? Very pleased to see you do not support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Who are these "others" to whom you refer? I'd just like the facts. After all, according to you, I don't have them. Many thanks.[/quote] well said
piano hinges wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote: Nose Poker Inner contacts: Clive Mardner, Labour (what a surprise) councillor on Greenwich Council, Town Hall Wellington St Woolwich London SE18 6PW 020 8311 4921 clive.mardner@greenw ich.gov.uk This man is also a crony of the Rev Thomas Acton, self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University. Lord Avebury (LIBDEM peer, what a surprise) Do gooders' champion and the man behind the "services to the community awards" given to Kathleen McCarthy and Richard Sherisan Email: ericavebury@gmail.co m House of Lords London SW1A 0PW Web: http://www.ericavebu ry.blogspot.com Stalwart do gooder Father John Glynn Our Lady Of Good Counsel 61 London Road Wickford Essex SS12 0AW Tel: 01268 733219. ALL THESE DETAILS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED FROM THE INTERNET These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area. What does that tell you? ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them because the truth hurts. I am writing to all three. I wish to state that I do not advocate or support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Unlike others.
Interesting stuff there. I'm sure we would all like to see the text of the messages you send to these people expressing your concerns. I also did some research because of your (strange) statement that "ALL do gooders live outside the area and know NOTHING of the facts, nor are they interested in seeking them". Thomas Acton, far from being the "self appointed gypsy and traveller expert of Greenwich University" is in fact a Professor there. Not self-appointed, but appointed by the University. Just checking the facts. Lord Avebury wasn't "behind" the awards you mention, he merely presented them. He did not make the decision on who won the award. Just checking the facts. These are all cronies, all people who have NEVER sought the views of the wider community and ALL people who live outside the area.
May I ask... 1. Cronies of whom? 2. How do you know with certainty who they have, and have not, spoken to? 3. Is London Road, Wickford "outside the area"? How is this arbitrary "area" drawn up and what qualifications must someone have in order to be deemed allowed to comment? 4. Who elected you as the arbiter of who can comment? You weren't "self-appointed" by any chance? Very pleased to see you do not support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Who are these "others" to whom you refer? I'd just like the facts. After all, according to you, I don't have them. Many thanks.
well said
Posted by: Jane, Basildon on 11:15am Thu 1 May 08
The lunatics are running the asylum at ECC, and I hope the idiot who approved this gets sacked. How on earth do "travellers" qualify for this sort of funding? It beggars belief, particularly when the council are cutting funding for more important services for elderly people.
The lunatics are running the asylum at ECC, and I hope the idiot who approved this gets sacked. How on earth do "travellers" qualify for this sort of funding? It beggars belief, particularly when the council are cutting funding for more important services for elderly people.
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 11:19am Thu 1 May 08
I have just spoken to Essex who, utterly embarrassed, are trying to distance themselves from this.
They tell me that the project was funded by the Youth Opportunities Fund, an agency of the Department for Children, Schools and Families.
The YOF is, as you guessed, a quango.
Apparently it is a group of UNINFORMED AND NAIVE young people, who have put this through and CLIVE MARDEN of the Essex Council for Racial Equality that has sponsored it.
Essex CC has merely nodded it through.
There is a school, complete with IT suite, already provided for their community. It is called Crays Hill Primary School. They are enjoying SOLE BENEFITS of it and we are paying for that too.
The children of the village, however, enjoy no such luxuries as a local school or community centre.
They are dispersed to schools around the neighbourhood.
It is being passed off as something for the children when in fact it is to be used for the adults to have their meetings and also as some kind of "chapel". There again, these people enjoy almost exclusive rights to Our Lady of Good Counsel at Wickford.
So what necessity is there for this project anyway?
Other than for outsiders to goad the local taxpayers that is.
Yes, it has all come from CENTRAL GOVERNMENT at the end of the day.
Unbelievable. What next? A community swimming pool, sauna and spa, provided by the local taxpayers - but [bold]not[/bold] for their use , of COURSE.
[italic]I am NOT reading any response from Piano Hinges or any other bleeding hearts. I simply cannot be bothered to listen to naive and uninformed people who, it seems, are happy to stump up cash for projects such as this. That people can be so deliberately one sided is beyond my comprehension. I despise fence-sitters and those who agree with certain people whilst deliberately going against others whose views are virtually the same as those they support.
Pathetic.[/italic]
I have just spoken to Essex who, utterly embarrassed, are trying to distance themselves from this.
They tell me that the project was funded by the Youth Opportunities Fund, an agency of the Department for Children, Schools and Families.
The YOF is, as you guessed, a quango.
Apparently it is a group of UNINFORMED AND NAIVE young people, who have put this through and CLIVE MARDEN of the Essex Council for Racial Equality that has sponsored it.
Essex CC has merely nodded it through.
There is a school, complete with IT suite, already provided for their community. It is called Crays Hill Primary School. They are enjoying SOLE BENEFITS of it and we are paying for that too.
The children of the village, however, enjoy no such luxuries as a local school or community centre.
They are dispersed to schools around the neighbourhood.
It is being passed off as something for the children when in fact it is to be used for the adults to have their meetings and also as some kind of "chapel". There again, these people enjoy almost exclusive rights to Our Lady of Good Counsel at Wickford.
So what necessity is there for this project anyway?
Other than for outsiders to goad the local taxpayers that is.
Yes, it has all come from CENTRAL GOVERNMENT at the end of the day.
Unbelievable. What next? A community swimming pool, sauna and spa, provided by the local taxpayers - but
not for their use , of COURSE.
I am NOT reading any response from Piano Hinges or any other bleeding hearts. I simply cannot be bothered to listen to naive and uninformed people who, it seems, are happy to stump up cash for projects such as this. That people can be so deliberately one sided is beyond my comprehension. I despise fence-sitters and those who agree with certain people whilst deliberately going against others whose views are virtually the same as those they support.
Pathetic. Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 11:25am Thu 1 May 08
Furthermore, whilst the Bleeding Hearts have been, no doubt, picking holes in my comments (I haven't read them but that is what rent a leftie mob usually do) I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED.
This is why I shall NOT be reading your responses, merely skimming past them.
I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED and also UNSIGNED.
No names = no credibility.
So stop wasting time and space on this forum responding to me.
To all others who live in the real world. I urge you to contact the perpetrators of this, as per my posting above.
The more cages rattled the better. Even if it gets us nowhere, it'll upset the lefties and THAT is worth its weight in gold.
Furthermore, whilst the Bleeding Hearts have been, no doubt, picking holes in my comments (I haven't read them but that is what rent a leftie mob usually do) I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED.
This is why I shall NOT be reading your responses, merely skimming past them.
I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED and also UNSIGNED.
No names = no credibility.
So stop wasting time and space on this forum responding to me.
To all others who live in the real world. I urge you to contact the perpetrators of this, as per my posting above.
The more cages rattled the better. Even if it gets us nowhere, it'll upset the lefties and THAT is worth its weight in gold.
Posted by: Just wondering.... on 11:28am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
I have just spoken to Essex who, utterly embarrassed, are trying to distance themselves from this. They tell me that the project was funded by the Youth Opportunities Fund, an agency of the Department for Children, Schools and Families. The YOF is, as you guessed, a quango. Apparently it is a group of UNINFORMED AND NAIVE young people, who have put this through and CLIVE MARDEN of the Essex Council for Racial Equality that has sponsored it. Essex CC has merely nodded it through. There is a school, complete with IT suite, already provided for their community. It is called Crays Hill Primary School. They are enjoying SOLE BENEFITS of it and we are paying for that too. The children of the village, however, enjoy no such luxuries as a local school or community centre. They are dispersed to schools around the neighbourhood. It is being passed off as something for the children when in fact it is to be used for the adults to have their meetings and also as some kind of "chapel". There again, these people enjoy almost exclusive rights to Our Lady of Good Counsel at Wickford. So what necessity is there for this project anyway? Other than for outsiders to goad the local taxpayers that is. Yes, it has all come from CENTRAL GOVERNMENT at the end of the day. Unbelievable. What next? A community swimming pool, sauna and spa, provided by the local taxpayers - but [bold]not[/bold] for their use , of COURSE. [italic]I am NOT reading any response from Piano Hinges or any other bleeding hearts. I simply cannot be bothered to listen to naive and uninformed people who, it seems, are happy to stump up cash for projects such as this. That people can be so deliberately one sided is beyond my comprehension. I despise fence-sitters and those who agree with certain people whilst deliberately going against others whose views are virtually the same as those they support. Pathetic.[/italic] [/quote] Do you stamp your feet when you get cross?
Kim Gandy wrote:
I have just spoken to Essex who, utterly embarrassed, are trying to distance themselves from this. They tell me that the project was funded by the Youth Opportunities Fund, an agency of the Department for Children, Schools and Families. The YOF is, as you guessed, a quango. Apparently it is a group of UNINFORMED AND NAIVE young people, who have put this through and CLIVE MARDEN of the Essex Council for Racial Equality that has sponsored it. Essex CC has merely nodded it through. There is a school, complete with IT suite, already provided for their community. It is called Crays Hill Primary School. They are enjoying SOLE BENEFITS of it and we are paying for that too. The children of the village, however, enjoy no such luxuries as a local school or community centre. They are dispersed to schools around the neighbourhood. It is being passed off as something for the children when in fact it is to be used for the adults to have their meetings and also as some kind of "chapel". There again, these people enjoy almost exclusive rights to Our Lady of Good Counsel at Wickford. So what necessity is there for this project anyway? Other than for outsiders to goad the local taxpayers that is. Yes, it has all come from CENTRAL GOVERNMENT at the end of the day. Unbelievable. What next? A community swimming pool, sauna and spa, provided by the local taxpayers - but not for their use , of COURSE. I am NOT reading any response from Piano Hinges or any other bleeding hearts. I simply cannot be bothered to listen to naive and uninformed people who, it seems, are happy to stump up cash for projects such as this. That people can be so deliberately one sided is beyond my comprehension. I despise fence-sitters and those who agree with certain people whilst deliberately going against others whose views are virtually the same as those they support. Pathetic.
Do you stamp your feet when you get cross?
Posted by: Incognito on 11:31am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
Furthermore, whilst the Bleeding Hearts have been, no doubt, picking holes in my comments (I haven't read them but that is what rent a leftie mob usually do) I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED. This is why I shall NOT be reading your responses, merely skimming past them. I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED and also UNSIGNED. No names = no credibility. So stop wasting time and space on this forum responding to me. To all others who live in the real world. I urge you to contact the perpetrators of this, as per my posting above. The more cages rattled the better. Even if it gets us nowhere, it'll upset the lefties and THAT is worth its weight in gold.[/quote] If you only want to reply to people who give their real name, then that would probably amount to two people on here.....Oh well, you can always reply to yourself!!
Kim Gandy wrote:
Furthermore, whilst the Bleeding Hearts have been, no doubt, picking holes in my comments (I haven't read them but that is what rent a leftie mob usually do) I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED. This is why I shall NOT be reading your responses, merely skimming past them. I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED and also UNSIGNED. No names = no credibility. So stop wasting time and space on this forum responding to me. To all others who live in the real world. I urge you to contact the perpetrators of this, as per my posting above. The more cages rattled the better. Even if it gets us nowhere, it'll upset the lefties and THAT is worth its weight in gold.
If you only want to reply to people who give their real name, then that would probably amount to two people on here.....Oh well, you can always reply to yourself!!
Posted by: Andrew, Shoeburyness on 11:33am Thu 1 May 08
[bold]I have written to John Baron MP, and received the following reply today:[/bold]
[italic]Thank you for your e-mail. John is out and about in Billericay and
District for the local elections, but has asked me to send you a copy of
a Press release he issued today on this matter.
Best wishes,
Tim Davis
Office of John Baron MP
PRESS RELEASE
John Baron MP: Dale Farm Centre confirms Racial Equality Council bias
MP says Racial Equality Council is contributing to community tensions
On hearing the news that Essex Racial Equality Council has sponsored the building of a Community Centre on the illegal traveller site at Dale Farm using Government funds, John Baron MP said:
"The fact that the Racial Equality Council has sponsored a Community Centre on an illegal traveller site clearly shows a bias which discriminates against the law-abiding majority. The Equality Council should promote equality and fairness for all. Instead, by backing this centre it has contributed to community tensions."
"I have already called for Lottery funding to be withdrawn from this group because of a previous incident. Traveller bias should not be funded by the public. I will also be writing to the Lottery about this."
"I have questioned Essex County Council as to why the Equality Council was allowed access to Government funds. My understanding is that it was the duty of the Equality Council as the sponsoring organisation to ensure that any project conformed with planning regulations and Council guidelines."[/italic]
[bold]I have also written to my own MP, James Duddridge and await his reply.[/bold]
I have written to John Baron MP, and received the following reply today:
Thank you for your e-mail. John is out and about in Billericay and
District for the local elections, but has asked me to send you a copy of
a Press release he issued today on this matter.
Best wishes,
Tim Davis
Office of John Baron MP
PRESS RELEASE
John Baron MP: Dale Farm Centre confirms Racial Equality Council bias
MP says Racial Equality Council is contributing to community tensions
On hearing the news that Essex Racial Equality Council has sponsored the building of a Community Centre on the illegal traveller site at Dale Farm using Government funds, John Baron MP said:
"The fact that the Racial Equality Council has sponsored a Community Centre on an illegal traveller site clearly shows a bias which discriminates against the law-abiding majority. The Equality Council should promote equality and fairness for all. Instead, by backing this centre it has contributed to community tensions."
"I have already called for Lottery funding to be withdrawn from this group because of a previous incident. Traveller bias should not be funded by the public. I will also be writing to the Lottery about this."
"I have questioned Essex County Council as to why the Equality Council was allowed access to Government funds. My understanding is that it was the duty of the Equality Council as the sponsoring organisation to ensure that any project conformed with planning regulations and Council guidelines."
I have also written to my own MP, James Duddridge and await his reply. Posted by: You are so boring, Saarfend on 11:44am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
Furthermore, whilst the Bleeding Hearts have been, no doubt, picking holes in my comments (I haven't read them but that is what rent a leftie mob usually do) I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED. This is why I shall NOT be reading your responses, merely skimming past them. I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED and also UNSIGNED. No names = no credibility. So stop wasting time and space on this forum responding to me. To all others who live in the real world. I urge you to contact the perpetrators of this, as per my posting above. The more cages rattled the better. Even if it gets us nowhere, it'll upset the lefties and THAT is worth its weight in gold.[/quote] My God you have a lot of spare time.... Ever thought of getting a hobby?
Kim Gandy wrote:
Furthermore, whilst the Bleeding Hearts have been, no doubt, picking holes in my comments (I haven't read them but that is what rent a leftie mob usually do) I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED. This is why I shall NOT be reading your responses, merely skimming past them. I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED and also UNSIGNED. No names = no credibility. So stop wasting time and space on this forum responding to me. To all others who live in the real world. I urge you to contact the perpetrators of this, as per my posting above. The more cages rattled the better. Even if it gets us nowhere, it'll upset the lefties and THAT is worth its weight in gold.
My God you have a lot of spare time.... Ever thought of getting a hobby?
Posted by: Mark, Pitsea on 12:13pm Thu 1 May 08
I am totally appalled by this funding its absolute disgrace! and total waste of tax payers hard earn money - we should all direct our outrage/comments/con
cerns to the Essex Racial Equality Council as they are the one solely responsible for this funding details below:
Essex Racial Equality Council
Lower Ground Floor
Civic Centre
Victoria Avenue
Southend on Sea
Essex
SS2 6EP
web: http://www.essexrec.
org.uk/
Tel/Fax: 01702 333351
E-mail: southend@essex-rec.c
o.uk
I am totally appalled by this funding its absolute disgrace! and total waste of tax payers hard earn money - we should all direct our outrage/comments/con
cerns to the Essex Racial Equality Council as they are the one solely responsible for this funding details below:
Essex Racial Equality Council
Lower Ground Floor
Civic Centre
Victoria Avenue
Southend on Sea
Essex
SS2 6EP
web: http://www.essexrec.
org.uk/
Tel/Fax: 01702 333351
E-mail: southend@essex-rec.c
o.uk
Posted by: knobby, billericay on 12:18pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
I have just spoken to Essex who, utterly embarrassed, are trying to distance themselves from this.
They tell me that the project was funded by the Youth Opportunities Fund, an agency of the Department for Children, Schools and Families.
The YOF is, as you guessed, a quango.
Apparently it is a group of UNINFORMED AND NAIVE young people, who have put this through and CLIVE MARDEN of the Essex Council for Racial Equality that has sponsored it.
Essex CC has merely nodded it through.
There is a school, complete with IT suite, already provided for their community. It is called Crays Hill Primary School. They are enjoying SOLE BENEFITS of it and we are paying for that too.
The children of the village, however, enjoy no such luxuries as a local school or community centre.
They are dispersed to schools around the neighbourhood.
It is being passed off as something for the children when in fact it is to be used for the adults to have their meetings and also as some kind of "chapel". There again, these people enjoy almost exclusive rights to Our Lady of Good Counsel at Wickford.
So what necessity is there for this project anyway?
Other than for outsiders to goad the local taxpayers that is.
Yes, it has all come from CENTRAL GOVERNMENT at the end of the day.
Unbelievable. What next? A community swimming pool, sauna and spa, provided by the local taxpayers - but [bold]not[/bold] for their use , of COURSE.
[italic]I am NOT reading any response from Piano Hinges or any other bleeding hearts. I simply cannot be bothered to listen to naive and uninformed people who, it seems, are happy to stump up cash for projects such as this. That people can be so deliberately one sided is beyond my comprehension. I despise fence-sitters and those who agree with certain people whilst deliberately going against others whose views are virtually the same as those they support.
Pathetic.[/italic] [/quote] Heh Kimbo, I nearly always support your rants because, underlying, there is the knowledge that you have 'walked the walk' re the 'little Tinker' issue.
However, I do not agree with yr criticsm of Mr Hinges. In fact, he is one of the more 'balanced' contributors on here.
There are some yoghourt licking half-wits out there who appear to ignore the uneven playing field but I do think Mr Hinges represents the voice of reason.
As an aspiring Politician, your job is to convince and inspire, not bludgeon!
Kim Gandy wrote:
I have just spoken to Essex who, utterly embarrassed, are trying to distance themselves from this.
They tell me that the project was funded by the Youth Opportunities Fund, an agency of the Department for Children, Schools and Families.
The YOF is, as you guessed, a quango.
Apparently it is a group of UNINFORMED AND NAIVE young people, who have put this through and CLIVE MARDEN of the Essex Council for Racial Equality that has sponsored it.
Essex CC has merely nodded it through.
There is a school, complete with IT suite, already provided for their community. It is called Crays Hill Primary School. They are enjoying SOLE BENEFITS of it and we are paying for that too.
The children of the village, however, enjoy no such luxuries as a local school or community centre.
They are dispersed to schools around the neighbourhood.
It is being passed off as something for the children when in fact it is to be used for the adults to have their meetings and also as some kind of "chapel". There again, these people enjoy almost exclusive rights to Our Lady of Good Counsel at Wickford.
So what necessity is there for this project anyway?
Other than for outsiders to goad the local taxpayers that is.
Yes, it has all come from CENTRAL GOVERNMENT at the end of the day.
Unbelievable. What next? A community swimming pool, sauna and spa, provided by the local taxpayers - but not for their use , of COURSE.
I am NOT reading any response from Piano Hinges or any other bleeding hearts. I simply cannot be bothered to listen to naive and uninformed people who, it seems, are happy to stump up cash for projects such as this. That people can be so deliberately one sided is beyond my comprehension. I despise fence-sitters and those who agree with certain people whilst deliberately going against others whose views are virtually the same as those they support.
Pathetic.
Heh Kimbo, I nearly always support your rants because, underlying, there is the knowledge that you have 'walked the walk' re the 'little Tinker' issue.
However, I do not agree with yr criticsm of Mr Hinges. In fact, he is one of the more 'balanced' contributors on here.
There are some yoghourt licking half-wits out there who appear to ignore the uneven playing field but I do think Mr Hinges represents the voice of reason.
As an aspiring Politician, your job is to convince and inspire, not bludgeon!
Posted by: Sarah Brown or Smith or Jones or whatever the hell I want to call myslef!!, My desk on 12:21pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
Furthermore, whilst the Bleeding Hearts have been, no doubt, picking holes in my comments (I haven't read them but that is what rent a leftie mob usually do) I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED. This is why I shall NOT be reading your responses, merely skimming past them. I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED and also UNSIGNED. No names = no credibility. So stop wasting time and space on this forum responding to me. To all others who live in the real world. I urge you to contact the perpetrators of this, as per my posting above. The more cages rattled the better. Even if it gets us nowhere, it'll upset the lefties and THAT is worth its weight in gold.[/quote] For anyone that is remotely interested in what Kim Gandy says and posts on thise website just make up a name if you don't want to post your real one!! It really is a stuck record with you Kim isn't it?? All for opinions and stuff but it is getting so boring with Kim now!! I much prefer the days of when Evilc was commenting and a few others that really made me laugh!!
Kim Gandy wrote:
Furthermore, whilst the Bleeding Hearts have been, no doubt, picking holes in my comments (I haven't read them but that is what rent a leftie mob usually do) I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED. This is why I shall NOT be reading your responses, merely skimming past them. I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED and also UNSIGNED. No names = no credibility. So stop wasting time and space on this forum responding to me. To all others who live in the real world. I urge you to contact the perpetrators of this, as per my posting above. The more cages rattled the better. Even if it gets us nowhere, it'll upset the lefties and THAT is worth its weight in gold.
For anyone that is remotely interested in what Kim Gandy says and posts on thise website just make up a name if you don't want to post your real one!! It really is a stuck record with you Kim isn't it?? All for opinions and stuff but it is getting so boring with Kim now!! I much prefer the days of when Evilc was commenting and a few others that really made me laugh!!
Posted by: Angry on 12:22pm Thu 1 May 08
Disgraceful comments from people who think they are above the rest.
Disgraceful comments from people who think they are above the rest.
Posted by: knobby, billericay on 12:26pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Robbie[/bold] wrote:
It is also worth noting that not only have essex cc wated £12,000 on this project they also held a jolly for the council at Stock Brook Manor this week where one of the closing comments of a speech the person mentioned the work the council were doing for the UNGRATEFUL ESSEX PEOPLE.
nice , we pay their wages and they say this about us[/quote] It is not only ECC that uses these outside facilities. Basildon Council use the other well known Stock hotel for their meetings.
But don't worry, it's all paid for from our council tax, I suspect.
Perhaps it helps the decision making process not to be utilizing normal council premises.
Robbie wrote:
It is also worth noting that not only have essex cc wated £12,000 on this project they also held a jolly for the council at Stock Brook Manor this week where one of the closing comments of a speech the person mentioned the work the council were doing for the UNGRATEFUL ESSEX PEOPLE.
nice , we pay their wages and they say this about us
It is not only ECC that uses these outside facilities. Basildon Council use the other well known Stock hotel for their meetings.
But don't worry, it's all paid for from our council tax, I suspect.
Perhaps it helps the decision making process not to be utilizing normal council premises.
Posted by: L87Bart, Billericay on 12:29pm Thu 1 May 08
What a suprise.
More money going to the travellers who dont deserve it!
What a suprise.
More money going to the travellers who dont deserve it!
Posted by: piano hinges on 12:29pm Thu 1 May 08
I am saddened, but not surprised, to read the intolerant response from Kim Gandy. Particularly as she is a (self-proclaimed) expert on Dale Farm, and Travellers in general. Nevertheless, for the benefit of those of us who haven't buried our heads in the sand, some comments if I may.
[quote]Apparently it is a group of UNINFORMED AND NAIVE young people, who have put this through and CLIVE MARDEN of the Essex Council for Racial Equality that has sponsored it.[/quote]
You say “apparently” – according to whom, please? Is this just your own opinion by any chance?
So Clive Marden is now in Essex – earlier on today he was in Greenwich and had a slightly different name. I hope you’re not spamming the wrong councillors! That would be annoying. Not to mention that you got your facts wrong.
[quote]I am NOT reading any response from Piano Hinges or any other bleeding hearts. I simply cannot be bothered to listen to naive and uninformed people who, it seems, are happy to stump up cash for projects such as this. That people can be so deliberately one sided is beyond my comprehension. I despise fence-sitters and those who agree with certain people whilst deliberately going against others whose views are virtually the same as those they support.
Pathetic.[/quote]
I should have thought it was more “pathetic” to not only deliberately ignore anything that might be inconvenient to your dogma, but then to write an essay about it! You castigate people like me for not knowing the facts, yet when asked to present the facts you just put your fingers in your ears and shout “LA LA LA”. A mite childish don’t you think? Or do you just not have answers to valid questions?
[quote]I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED.[/quote]
Me too. And I didn't use RANDOM CAPITALS while I was going about it. Perhaps you can answer my queries please, so that I can be as INFORMED as you.
[quote]I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED[/quote]
Since you don’t know me, I can only infer that you have [italic]assumed[/italic] I am uninformed. You don’t even read my posts, apparently, so how can you know this? This wouldn't be a sad attempt to discredit my views by making ad hominem attacks would it?
May I remind you of the definition of bigot - "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics [italic]and is intolerant of those who differ[/italic]."
I am saddened, but not surprised, to read the intolerant response from Kim Gandy. Particularly as she is a (self-proclaimed) expert on Dale Farm, and Travellers in general. Nevertheless, for the benefit of those of us who haven't buried our heads in the sand, some comments if I may.
Apparently it is a group of UNINFORMED AND NAIVE young people, who have put this through and CLIVE MARDEN of the Essex Council for Racial Equality that has sponsored it.
You say “apparently” – according to whom, please? Is this just your own opinion by any chance?
So Clive Marden is now in Essex – earlier on today he was in Greenwich and had a slightly different name. I hope you’re not spamming the wrong councillors! That would be annoying. Not to mention that you got your facts wrong.
I am NOT reading any response from Piano Hinges or any other bleeding hearts. I simply cannot be bothered to listen to naive and uninformed people who, it seems, are happy to stump up cash for projects such as this. That people can be so deliberately one sided is beyond my comprehension. I despise fence-sitters and those who agree with certain people whilst deliberately going against others whose views are virtually the same as those they support.
Pathetic.
I should have thought it was more “pathetic” to not only deliberately ignore anything that might be inconvenient to your dogma, but then to write an essay about it! You castigate people like me for not knowing the facts, yet when asked to present the facts you just put your fingers in your ears and shout “LA LA LA”. A mite childish don’t you think? Or do you just not have answers to valid questions?
I have been making enquiries so I can be INFORMED.
Me too. And I didn't use RANDOM CAPITALS while I was going about it. Perhaps you can answer my queries please, so that I can be as INFORMED as you.
I cannot bear to read rhetoric and argument from people who are UNINFORMED
Since you don’t know me, I can only infer that you have
assumed I am uninformed. You don’t even read my posts, apparently, so how can you know this? This wouldn't be a sad attempt to discredit my views by making ad hominem attacks would it?
May I remind you of the definition of bigot - "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics
and is intolerant of those who differ."
Posted by: The Vicar, Basildon on 12:38pm Thu 1 May 08
I can see the BNP getting a few more votes because of this.
A day before local elections probably wasn't the best day to announce this.
Now where's Basil Brush when you need him?
I can see the BNP getting a few more votes because of this.
A day before local elections probably wasn't the best day to announce this.
Now where's Basil Brush when you need him?
Posted by: piano hinges on 12:38pm Thu 1 May 08
Knobby, your comments are appreciated. Many thanks.
I wonder if KG has a personal issue with me actually. I've noticed a pattern lately - for example on the story entitled "Council boss pans pay demand as too costly" where there was a bizarre attack apparently directed at me. Very strange.
I don't mind too much of course, seeing the sort of treatment she dishes out to everyone else, but it does concern me slightly as there do appear to be some worrying character flaws.
In spite of all that I value the fact that people like Kim can state their opinion on here, although I do admit I'd prefer them to be marginally less abusive. It doesn't look good.
Knobby, your comments are appreciated. Many thanks.
I wonder if KG has a personal issue with me actually. I've noticed a pattern lately - for example on the story entitled "Council boss pans pay demand as too costly" where there was a bizarre attack apparently directed at me. Very strange.
I don't mind too much of course, seeing the sort of treatment she dishes out to everyone else, but it does concern me slightly as there do appear to be some worrying character flaws.
In spite of all that I value the fact that people like Kim can state their opinion on here, although I do admit I'd prefer them to be marginally less abusive. It doesn't look good.
Posted by: Andrew, Shoeburyness on 12:39pm Thu 1 May 08
[bold]Such a shame. The serious issue of taxpayers' money being used to encourage law-breaking, totally sidetracked by posters' petty name calling and character assassination.
Those at Dale Farm must be laughing into their beer (that WE are ALL paying for) at us.[/bold]
Such a shame. The serious issue of taxpayers' money being used to encourage law-breaking, totally sidetracked by posters' petty name calling and character assassination.
Those at Dale Farm must be laughing into their beer (that WE are ALL paying for) at us. Posted by: ? on 12:42pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]The Vicar[/bold] wrote:
I can see the BNP getting a few more votes because of this. A day before local elections probably wasn't the best day to announce this. Now where's Basil Brush when you need him?[/quote] Your round Walby
The Vicar wrote:
I can see the BNP getting a few more votes because of this. A day before local elections probably wasn't the best day to announce this. Now where's Basil Brush when you need him?
Your round Walby
Posted by: The Vicar, Basildon on 12:51pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]piano hinges[/bold] wrote:
Knobby, your comments are appreciated. Many thanks. I wonder if KG has a personal issue with me actually. I've noticed a pattern lately - for example on the story entitled "Council boss pans pay demand as too costly" where there was a bizarre attack apparently directed at me. Very strange. I don't mind too much of course, seeing the sort of treatment she dishes out to everyone else, but it does concern me slightly as there do appear to be some worrying character flaws. In spite of all that I value the fact that people like Kim can state their opinion on here, although I do admit I'd prefer them to be marginally less abusive. It doesn't look good.[/quote] Well they say opposites attract.
Perhaps a romantic caravan holiday beckons?
piano hinges wrote:
Knobby, your comments are appreciated. Many thanks. I wonder if KG has a personal issue with me actually. I've noticed a pattern lately - for example on the story entitled "Council boss pans pay demand as too costly" where there was a bizarre attack apparently directed at me. Very strange. I don't mind too much of course, seeing the sort of treatment she dishes out to everyone else, but it does concern me slightly as there do appear to be some worrying character flaws. In spite of all that I value the fact that people like Kim can state their opinion on here, although I do admit I'd prefer them to be marginally less abusive. It doesn't look good.
Well they say opposites attract.
Perhaps a romantic caravan holiday beckons?
Posted by: Seen it on 1:07pm Thu 1 May 08
I HAVE to step in here and correct Kim Gandy - although (yawn, heard it all before) she definitely, most positively WON'T be back to read or respond to people that don't put their real names, ie above you wrote:
"No names = no credibility."
As Kim is keen on FACTS and RESEARCH i thought i'd do a quick 5 minute search on her, after all she is hoping to get voted in today, she's made that much clear...
HOWEVER, from my quick RESEARCH I find the following that SHE has written:
Weds 12 March - Echo:
"Other than that I hate, loathe and detest this government and wish somebody would stick them all on an island with the politically correct brigade and let me press the nuke button."
Mmmmm, does this contradict what you said above, ie "I wish to state that I do not advocate or support the use of violence, threats or intimidation. Unlike others". Which one of those statements is FACT Kim?
Same day you RESPONDED to "The Vicar" without vitriol. And yet, unless that is his REAL name (and where's a location??) you'd be contradicting yourself AGAIN.
Weds 9th April: YOU quoted "Darren" - no location or surname - but responded with
"This man has it taped!" Another example of contradiction.
7 April 2008 - Kim Gandy posts on the "this is LINCOLNSHIRE" website - another lengthy rant with this comment in it:
"I work with elderly people in a care home, most of whom took part in saving this country from the tyranny of dictators" AND " I live in the southeast and my life has been affected by travellers and other economic migrants, FIRST HAND, so much so that I have had to relocate, my relationships and my health have suffered, as has my income"
- would the economic migrants be the ones you claim to WORK with now??? You end the post with "with a government that is being bankrolled by Muslim businessmen."
is that another FACT Ms Gandy???? And WHY did you feel able to post on a Lincolnshire website/forum when, according to you, you'd have NO authority to do this and NO experience either!
20 April 08 - you quoted and REPLIED to "midnight warrior". Do you believe that this is their REAL name Kim?
Sorry to go on here but I really think people like YOU need to look in the mirror now and again - WHAT sort of politician will you be Kim? JUST LIKE ALL THE REST THAT YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT?
This is my first "rant" on the Echo - apologies to other posters but, due to people like Gandy I couldn't help myself!
Of course, like EVERY other politician, we'll never get answers out of her - she's not prepared to listen to voters who might disagree with her (lefties, sandal wearing do-gooders - ie jesus!) - if she could LISTEN and take note now and again then she might have got more voters than she will.
"
I HAVE to step in here and correct Kim Gandy - although (yawn, heard it all before) she definitely, most positively WON'T be back to read or respond to people that don't put their real names, ie above you wrote:
"No names = no credibility."
As Kim is keen on FACTS and RESEARCH i thought i'd do a quick 5 minute search on her, after all she is hoping to get voted in today, she's made that much clear...
HOWEVER, from my quick RESEARCH I find the following that SHE has written:
Weds 12 March - Echo:
"Other than that I hate, loathe and detest this government and wish somebod
