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Vicar: I'm back working for the BNP
A CHURCH leader is still working for the BNP
- just weeks after claiming he would leave the far-right party.
In March, the Echo revealed the Rev John Stanton, former chairman of Rochford District Council, was working as a party organiser for the district.
But following our story, he said he had turned his back on the party after being "misled" and that he did not trust anything the party said.
But Mr Stanton, 75, who heads Rock Dene Christian Fellowship, based in his home, in Leicester Avenue, Rochford, has now "changed his mind" and is working for the party again.
At the Rochford District Council elections on Thursday Mr Stanton was the agent for the party's two candidates.
He said: "I was talked out of the BNP by a number of local Christians. Since then I have changed my mind."
Mr Stanton said he supports the party's views on Europe and combating extremism. He added that his congregation of around 20 people does not object to him supporting the party.
Mr Stanton spent four years as a Lib Dem councillor in Rochford in the 1990s and five years as a Conservative in the 1970s.
Tory leader Terry Cutmore, who retained his Ashingdon and Canewdon seat, said: "It seems very two-faced.
"Is he saying he is a member of the BNP, and supports their views, or he isn't?
"The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford."
3:02pm Tuesday 6th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: steeve, southenbd on 3:07pm Tue 6 May 08
free country isnt it (well almost)
free country isnt it (well almost)
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 3:23pm Tue 6 May 08
There is nothing christian about this man or his fellowship.
However from his history he clearly doesn't quite know his political leanings and from previous articles he probably doesn't know what day of the week it is!
There is nothing christian about this man or his fellowship.
However from his history he clearly doesn't quite know his political leanings and from previous articles he probably doesn't know what day of the week it is!
Posted by: Old Jim, Rochford on 3:52pm Tue 6 May 08
Yeah your right Local Boy and who are the Rock Dene Christian Fellowship anyway? I've never heard of them. Is it a religious group that he's invented? If so he sounds like a right fruit cake.
Yeah your right Local Boy and who are the Rock Dene Christian Fellowship anyway? I've never heard of them. Is it a religious group that he's invented? If so he sounds like a right fruit cake.
Posted by: horace Wimpole, Little Futtock on 3:53pm Tue 6 May 08
No wonder his congregation numbers approx. 20. From the sound of his previous shenanigans and his comments to date, the chap's obviously a complete lost-it.
No wonder his congregation numbers approx. 20. From the sound of his previous shenanigans and his comments to date, the chap's obviously a complete lost-it.
Posted by: Giles, London on 3:54pm Tue 6 May 08
You are not in a position to judge the man nor his fellowship. The political parties about whom you write have changed considerably, a Labour Party in the 70s could not have taken us to a war like that in Iraq which has caused the death of more than 200,000 people and counting, it was opposed to membership of the EU now loves it, the Conservative Party has turned against the EU they once loved, and the Labour Party wanted to nationalise everything and now wants to privatise it. Maybe the man has moved less than an inch in his policies, but, as most will agree the Parties have been going bananas!
You are not in a position to judge the man nor his fellowship. The political parties about whom you write have changed considerably, a Labour Party in the 70s could not have taken us to a war like that in Iraq which has caused the death of more than 200,000 people and counting, it was opposed to membership of the EU now loves it, the Conservative Party has turned against the EU they once loved, and the Labour Party wanted to nationalise everything and now wants to privatise it. Maybe the man has moved less than an inch in his policies, but, as most will agree the Parties have been going bananas!
Posted by: Giles, London on 3:57pm Tue 6 May 08
You are not in a position to judge the man nor his fellowship. The political parties about whom you write have changed considerably, a Labour Party in the 70s could not have taken us to a war like that in Iraq which has caused the death of more than 200,000 people and counting, it was opposed to membership of the EU now loves it, the Conservative Party has turned against the EU they once loved, and the Labour Party wanted to nationalise everything and now wants to privatise it. Maybe the man has moved less than an inch in his policies, but, as most will agree the Parties have been going bananas!
You are not in a position to judge the man nor his fellowship. The political parties about whom you write have changed considerably, a Labour Party in the 70s could not have taken us to a war like that in Iraq which has caused the death of more than 200,000 people and counting, it was opposed to membership of the EU now loves it, the Conservative Party has turned against the EU they once loved, and the Labour Party wanted to nationalise everything and now wants to privatise it. Maybe the man has moved less than an inch in his policies, but, as most will agree the Parties have been going bananas!
Posted by: Robert, London on 3:57pm Tue 6 May 08
More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it's becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it's turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I'm concerened. Well done Vicar, and don't be bullied to change your mind.
More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it's becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it's turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I'm concerened. Well done Vicar, and don't be bullied to change your mind.
Posted by: Ollie, London on 4:00pm Tue 6 May 08
They tried to turn his head, he faltered, but kept to the true path.
God bless you Vicar if only there were a few more like you to stand up for their Christian flock.
They tried to turn his head, he faltered, but kept to the true path.
God bless you Vicar if only there were a few more like you to stand up for their Christian flock.
Posted by: Horace Wimpole, Little Futtock on 4:20pm Tue 6 May 08
Ha ha, here we go again.
Posted by: amw, Southend on 4:43pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]steeve[/bold] wrote:
free country isnt it (well almost) [/quote] It will not be if the British Nazi Party ever gain power.
steeve wrote:
free country isnt it (well almost)
It will not be if the British Nazi Party ever gain power.
Posted by: David, London on 4:47pm Tue 6 May 08
Is there a British Nazi Party - there is nothing on the Web about it - just curious.
Is there a British Nazi Party - there is nothing on the Web about it - just curious.
Posted by: KARL JONES, Bradford on 4:49pm Tue 6 May 08
In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. [italic][bold]Liberal fascists make me sick.[/bold] [/italic]
In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea.
Liberal fascists make me sick. Posted by: victim of the nazis, 741-999 on 4:52pm Tue 6 May 08
first they came for the jews,
and i did not speak out because i was not a jew.
then they came for the communists,
and i did not speak out because i was not a communist.
then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist.
then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
first they came for the jews,
and i did not speak out because i was not a jew.
then they came for the communists,
and i did not speak out because i was not a communist.
then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist.
then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
Posted by: Bendylonglegs on 4:56pm Tue 6 May 08
I find it shameful the amount of people in this area who have voted for the BNP, they are and always will be a deeply racist/Nazi leaning party.
I find it shameful the amount of people in this area who have voted for the BNP, they are and always will be a deeply racist/Nazi leaning party.
Posted by: Horace Wimpole, Little Futtock on 4:56pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]KARL JONES[/bold] wrote:
In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. [italic][bold]Liberal fascists make me sick.[/bold] [/italic] [/quote] With democracy comes responsibility
KARL JONES wrote:
In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. Liberal fascists make me sick.
With democracy comes responsibility
Posted by: The Vicar (not the BNP one), Basildon Tatooed Potato Factory on 5:08pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Robert[/bold] wrote:
More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind. [/quote] People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history.
I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently.
That's certainly sticking to your principles that one.
Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.
Robert wrote:
More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind.
People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history.
I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently.
That's certainly sticking to your principles that one.
Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.
Posted by: amw, southend on 5:17pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
Is there a British Nazi Party - there is nothing on the Web about it - just curious.[/quote] google the founder of the BNP, John Tyndall, you will find plenty of Nazi views there aswell as some pictures of him posing in Nazi and SS uniforms.
(not to be confused with the scientist of the same name) esteamed
David wrote:
Is there a British Nazi Party - there is nothing on the Web about it - just curious.
google the founder of the BNP, John Tyndall, you will find plenty of Nazi views there aswell as some pictures of him posing in Nazi and SS uniforms.
(not to be confused with the scientist of the same name) esteamed
Posted by: AMW, Southend on 5:48pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Horace Wimpole[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]KARL JONES[/bold] wrote: In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. [italic][bold]Liberal fascists make me sick.[/bold] [/italic] [/quote] With democracy comes responsibility[/quote] and Hitler's Nazis were a "legitimate" political party. At least untill they murdered 6 million jews,20 million Russians, and just about anyone else who disagreed with them.
Horace Wimpole wrote:
KARL JONES wrote: In this country we have a right of privacy. The constant harassment of this man of principle is disgusting. The BNP is a lgitimate political party. If you do not like free speech and a pluralistic democracy then leave this country clear off to Iran or North Korea. Liberal fascists make me sick.
With democracy comes responsibility
and Hitler's Nazis were a "legitimate" political party. At least untill they murdered 6 million jews,20 million Russians, and just about anyone else who disagreed with them.
Posted by: George Deighton, London on 5:55pm Tue 6 May 08
Posted by: victim of the nazis, 741-999 on Today
first they came for the jews, and i did not speak out because i was not a jew. then they came for the communists, and i did not speak out because i was not a communist. then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist. then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
first they came for the jews,
and i did not speak out because i was not a jew.
then they came for the communists,
and i did not speak out because i was not a communist.
then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist.
then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
Posted by: victim of the nazis, 741-999 on Today
first they came for the jews, and i did not speak out because i was not a jew. then they came for the communists, and i did not speak out because i was not a communist. then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist. then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
first they came for the jews,
and i did not speak out because i was not a jew.
then they came for the communists,
and i did not speak out because i was not a communist.
then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist.
then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
Posted by: George Deighton, London on 6:00pm Tue 6 May 08
Please 999 victim of the Nazis all this business happened over 60 years ago, surly you don’t think Britain’s 3rd world immigrant population cares about the events of WW2 as sad as it was, anyway most kids when asked today, think it was either Hitler or Churchill that were the first men on the moon, So much for labours educational system what was it Blair said Education Education Education.
But there is a present day holocaust which is just as terrible that is the slaughter by the boiling and skinnining alive of millions of Cats and dogs in china for fur i.e. the decorating of cheap n tat cloths for their rag trade, although these victims they are not human that still feel fear and pain and some of us think they are just as important, the past is dead 999 let the victims of WW2 rest in peace . And let’s concentrate on the animal holocaust and global warming please.
Please 999 victim of the Nazis all this business happened over 60 years ago, surly you don’t think Britain’s 3rd world immigrant population cares about the events of WW2 as sad as it was, anyway most kids when asked today, think it was either Hitler or Churchill that were the first men on the moon, So much for labours educational system what was it Blair said Education Education Education.
But there is a present day holocaust which is just as terrible that is the slaughter by the boiling and skinnining alive of millions of Cats and dogs in china for fur i.e. the decorating of cheap n tat cloths for their rag trade, although these victims they are not human that still feel fear and pain and some of us think they are just as important, the past is dead 999 let the victims of WW2 rest in peace . And let’s concentrate on the animal holocaust and global warming please.
Posted by: George Deighton, london on 6:10pm Tue 6 May 08
Point of intrest.
I belive the BNP are winning becuse they are fighting for their survival and their homeland, who unlike their opposition gave it away. Comments.
Point of intrest.
I belive the BNP are winning becuse they are fighting for their survival and their homeland, who unlike their opposition gave it away. Comments.
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 6:40pm Tue 6 May 08
So we have people from London, Bradford and wherever else defending the BNP. Seems to me like the Echo website has got a reputation for not standing for the BNP's lies. Hence the sudden interest from BNP supporters not in this locale. Are we being monitered by the far right?
Many of us stood up against the lies of the National Front and we will stand up against the lies of the BNP. Just as our fathers and grand-fathers stood up against Hitler and his cronies. Same policies different passports!
So we have people from London, Bradford and wherever else defending the BNP. Seems to me like the Echo website has got a reputation for not standing for the BNP's lies. Hence the sudden interest from BNP supporters not in this locale. Are we being monitered by the far right?
Many of us stood up against the lies of the National Front and we will stand up against the lies of the BNP. Just as our fathers and grand-fathers stood up against Hitler and his cronies. Same policies different passports!
Posted by: bob, basildon on 7:00pm Tue 6 May 08
maybe if the christian church in this country defended their religion in the same way muslim countries defend theirs they wouldnt get vicars leaving them to join the BNP.
maybe if the christian church in this country defended their religion in the same way muslim countries defend theirs they wouldnt get vicars leaving them to join the BNP.
Posted by: john on 7:04pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Local Boy[/bold] wrote:
<b> So we have people from London, Bradford and wherever else defending the BNP. Seems to me like the Echo website has got a reputation for not standing for the BNP's lies. Hence the sudden interest from BNP supporters not in this locale. Are we being monitered by the far right?
Many of us stood up against the lies of the National Front and we will stand up against the lies of the BNP. Just as our fathers and grand-fathers stood up against Hitler and his cronies. Same policies different passports!</b>[/quote] Most papers are being monitored these days by the right and the left and seeing as it is the internet you're more likely to get pros and antis from far afield and not just local. Being a pro I personally find these sort of articles offensive and so will leave a comment to show my dissaproval.
Local Boy wrote:
<b> So we have people from London, Bradford and wherever else defending the BNP. Seems to me like the Echo website has got a reputation for not standing for the BNP's lies. Hence the sudden interest from BNP supporters not in this locale. Are we being monitered by the far right?
Many of us stood up against the lies of the National Front and we will stand up against the lies of the BNP. Just as our fathers and grand-fathers stood up against Hitler and his cronies. Same policies different passports!</b>
Most papers are being monitored these days by the right and the left and seeing as it is the internet you're more likely to get pros and antis from far afield and not just local. Being a pro I personally find these sort of articles offensive and so will leave a comment to show my dissaproval.
Posted by: Robert, London on 7:13pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]The Vicar (not the BNP one)[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Robert[/bold] wrote: More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind. [/quote] People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history. I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently. That's certainly sticking to your principles that one. Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.[/quote] Was he? I don't know as I don't bother reading the lying gutter press. If you really are a Vicar you're a disgrace to your country. You should be out there defending your (our)cristian values like this brave Vicar. Instead of hiding behind your spineless PC platitudes. When the day comes that you need the indigenous population to defend you, you'd better pray that they forgive you.
The Vicar (not the BNP one) wrote:
Robert wrote: More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind.
People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history. I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently. That's certainly sticking to your principles that one. Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.
Was he? I don't know as I don't bother reading the lying gutter press. If you really are a Vicar you're a disgrace to your country. You should be out there defending your (our)cristian values like this brave Vicar. Instead of hiding behind your spineless PC platitudes. When the day comes that you need the indigenous population to defend you, you'd better pray that they forgive you.
Posted by: Fred Jones, London & Leicester on 7:23pm Tue 6 May 08
"The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford." says local Tory leader - he seems to think he speaks for everyone: a typical fascist attitude! Well done vicar - I know another vicar in the BNP, the rev Rob West, and excellent fellow who understands The Bible and Christians' right to their national homelands in which ever part of the world they come from.
"The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford." says local Tory leader - he seems to think he speaks for everyone: a typical fascist attitude! Well done vicar - I know another vicar in the BNP, the rev Rob West, and excellent fellow who understands The Bible and Christians' right to their national homelands in which ever part of the world they come from.
Posted by: Joshua on 7:29pm Tue 6 May 08
Judging by the disgusting displays of attempted intimidation in the comments on this website it doesn't surprise me that Rev John Stanton had a hard time sticking to his support of the BNP.
I find it horrifying that pro-immigration activists here would resort so quickly to raising the nightmares of the Holocaust to try to forcibly shut-down any political party or group that tries to stop mass immigration.
The truth is that the BNP is trying to prevent the destruction of their own people in the face of modern colonism, they are not Nazis and I do not believe they would ever harm anyone else. Unlike Labour who chose to help invade Iraq.
Judging by the disgusting displays of attempted intimidation in the comments on this website it doesn't surprise me that Rev John Stanton had a hard time sticking to his support of the BNP.
I find it horrifying that pro-immigration activists here would resort so quickly to raising the nightmares of the Holocaust to try to forcibly shut-down any political party or group that tries to stop mass immigration.
The truth is that the BNP is trying to prevent the destruction of their own people in the face of modern colonism, they are not Nazis and I do not believe they would ever harm anyone else. Unlike Labour who chose to help invade Iraq.
Posted by: john on 7:42pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Joshua[/bold] wrote:
<b> Judging by the disgusting displays of attempted intimidation in the comments on this website it doesn\'t surprise me that Rev John Stanton had a hard time sticking to his support of the BNP.
I find it horrifying that pro-immigration activists here would resort so quickly to raising the nightmares of the Holocaust to try to forcibly shut-down any political party or group that tries to stop mass immigration.
The truth is that the BNP is trying to prevent the destruction of their own people in the face of modern colonism, they are not Nazis and I do not believe they would ever harm anyone else. Unlike Labour who chose to help invade Iraq.</b>[/quote] Indeeed you'll that most anti-BNP types are also pro EU. Guess who dreamt that concept up in the first place?
Yooooooouve guessed haven't you? Yes it was the Nazis.
So who are the real Nazis? The BNP surely can't be as they want out of europe and not surprising really with all the taxpayers money they waste.
Joshua wrote:
<b> Judging by the disgusting displays of attempted intimidation in the comments on this website it doesn\'t surprise me that Rev John Stanton had a hard time sticking to his support of the BNP.
I find it horrifying that pro-immigration activists here would resort so quickly to raising the nightmares of the Holocaust to try to forcibly shut-down any political party or group that tries to stop mass immigration.
The truth is that the BNP is trying to prevent the destruction of their own people in the face of modern colonism, they are not Nazis and I do not believe they would ever harm anyone else. Unlike Labour who chose to help invade Iraq.</b>
Indeeed you'll that most anti-BNP types are also pro EU. Guess who dreamt that concept up in the first place?
Yooooooouve guessed haven't you? Yes it was the Nazis.
So who are the real Nazis? The BNP surely can't be as they want out of europe and not surprising really with all the taxpayers money they waste.
Posted by: Margaret Stoll, Rochford on 7:49pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Fred Jones[/bold] wrote:
<b> "The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford." says local Tory leader - he seems to think he speaks for everyone: a typical fascist attitude! Well done vicar - I know another vicar in the BNP, the rev Rob West, and excellent fellow who understands The Bible and Christians' right to their national homelands in which ever part of the world they come from.
</b>[/quote] My only comment on what Cllr Cutmore, Ashingdon and Canewdon ward, leader of Rochford council said is this: It's not for you to say what political party has or hasn't 'got a place' in Rochford. Your party swept the board last Thursday, but that doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.
There has been much quoting of Pastor Niemoller in this thread, and the words 'nazi' and 'fascist' have been used without an understanding of the meaning of those terms. However, here's another quotation for Cllr Cutmore: 'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'. This is from Lord Acton in the 19th century.
No local councillor is going to dictate to me how I think, although Cllr Cutmore, now he has that 'absolute power' locally, obviously thinks he can. John Stanton is a neighbour and friend of mine, I've known him for years and he's a good guy.
The Rock Dene Christian Fellowship in Leicester Avenue, Rochford (next street to where I live) is a house-based church. Which is how the early Christians started up, holding worship services in their own homes. All are welcome, although I haven't been to a service there for some years - Barry and I go to Rochford Methodist church. Oh, and for all the talk about the Jews, my husband Barry was brought up as a Jew but he was baptised and confirmed in the Methodist church in his 70th year. And he too thinks that John Stanton is a good guy.
Fred Jones wrote:
<b> "The BNP obviously hasn't got a place in Rochford." says local Tory leader - he seems to think he speaks for everyone: a typical fascist attitude! Well done vicar - I know another vicar in the BNP, the rev Rob West, and excellent fellow who understands The Bible and Christians' right to their national homelands in which ever part of the world they come from.
</b>
My only comment on what Cllr Cutmore, Ashingdon and Canewdon ward, leader of Rochford council said is this: It's not for you to say what political party has or hasn't 'got a place' in Rochford. Your party swept the board last Thursday, but that doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.
There has been much quoting of Pastor Niemoller in this thread, and the words 'nazi' and 'fascist' have been used without an understanding of the meaning of those terms. However, here's another quotation for Cllr Cutmore: 'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'. This is from Lord Acton in the 19th century.
No local councillor is going to dictate to me how I think, although Cllr Cutmore, now he has that 'absolute power' locally, obviously thinks he can. John Stanton is a neighbour and friend of mine, I've known him for years and he's a good guy.
The Rock Dene Christian Fellowship in Leicester Avenue, Rochford (next street to where I live) is a house-based church. Which is how the early Christians started up, holding worship services in their own homes. All are welcome, although I haven't been to a service there for some years - Barry and I go to Rochford Methodist church. Oh, and for all the talk about the Jews, my husband Barry was brought up as a Jew but he was baptised and confirmed in the Methodist church in his 70th year. And he too thinks that John Stanton is a good guy.
Posted by: christian agnostic, southend on 8:11pm Tue 6 May 08
Love one another as I have loved you.
a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP
Love one another as I have loved you.
a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP
Posted by: John on 8:27pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]christian agnostic[/bold] wrote:
<b> Love one another as I have loved you.
a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP</b>[/quote] How about the Christians Crusades does that ring any bells?
And I don't know if you recall but Jesus didn't actually love everyone as such he fought against corruption and those that were on the payroll crusifided him for it.
Remember?
christian agnostic wrote:
<b> Love one another as I have loved you.
a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP</b>
How about the Christians Crusades does that ring any bells?
And I don't know if you recall but Jesus didn't actually love everyone as such he fought against corruption and those that were on the payroll crusifided him for it.
Remember?
Posted by: Kim Gandy, Rayleigh on 8:32pm Tue 6 May 08
Once again, carping snipers who have most likely never met the man -- same as they have never met me and know nothing about me.
I HAVE met him. He officiated at a funeral of someone very close to me and he was simply one of the nicest, kindest men I have ever met.
I also met him at the count on Thursday. He was thoroughly gracious and made an excellent speech from the platform.
Chatting to him during the count, as were other candidates and councillors of different parties, it was obvious he was a very thoughtful, well balanced, kind individual.
Which is more than I can say for the yet again inexperienced carpers here.
Once again, carping snipers who have most likely never met the man -- same as they have never met me and know nothing about me.
I HAVE met him. He officiated at a funeral of someone very close to me and he was simply one of the nicest, kindest men I have ever met.
I also met him at the count on Thursday. He was thoroughly gracious and made an excellent speech from the platform.
Chatting to him during the count, as were other candidates and councillors of different parties, it was obvious he was a very thoughtful, well balanced, kind individual.
Which is more than I can say for the yet again inexperienced carpers here.
Posted by: evilc, essex on 8:33pm Tue 6 May 08
Why worry they are no better no worse than the socialist workers party.
Best to ignore either because they have as much chance of gaining government than the Will woodnog party
Why worry they are no better no worse than the socialist workers party.
Best to ignore either because they have as much chance of gaining government than the Will woodnog party
Posted by: Bob, London on 8:38pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]christian agnostic[/bold] wrote:
Love one another as I have loved you. a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP[/quote] Very simplistic, and unfortunately completely out of date. Whilst maybe not "loving" everyone, they at least respect that people are very different and are realistic enough to see where we are heading. They alone have the moral fibre to stand up and tell the disturbing truth that a lot of people just don't want to hear. I believe the BNP represent our best chance of avoiding an even worse fate than the former Yugoslavia. Burying your head in the sand and wishing that we all "loved" each other is not going to help. The vicar in question is a brave soul who's trying to help in spite of the insults and smears as expressed in the usual hysterical lefty comments, and general snearing tone of this article (another Murdoch owned rag by any chance?).
christian agnostic wrote:
Love one another as I have loved you. a central Christian belief.hardly copatible with the beliefs of the BNP
Very simplistic, and unfortunately completely out of date. Whilst maybe not "loving" everyone, they at least respect that people are very different and are realistic enough to see where we are heading. They alone have the moral fibre to stand up and tell the disturbing truth that a lot of people just don't want to hear. I believe the BNP represent our best chance of avoiding an even worse fate than the former Yugoslavia. Burying your head in the sand and wishing that we all "loved" each other is not going to help. The vicar in question is a brave soul who's trying to help in spite of the insults and smears as expressed in the usual hysterical lefty comments, and general snearing tone of this article (another Murdoch owned rag by any chance?).
Posted by: Clyde, Northants on 8:44pm Tue 6 May 08
What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Posted by: James, Cambridge on 8:54pm Tue 6 May 08
I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Posted by: cra, essex on 8:54pm Tue 6 May 08
can some one tell me who he should be working for its a free world thats why every one wants to come here
can some one tell me who he should be working for its a free world thats why every one wants to come here
Posted by: The Vicar, Camp Baschwitz on 9:07pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Robert[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Vicar (not the BNP one)[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Robert[/bold] wrote: More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind. [/quote] People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history. I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently. That's certainly sticking to your principles that one. Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.[/quote] Was he? I don't know as I don't bother reading the lying gutter press. If you really are a Vicar you're a disgrace to your country. You should be out there defending your (our)cristian values like this brave Vicar. Instead of hiding behind your spineless PC platitudes. When the day comes that you need the indigenous population to defend you, you'd better pray that they forgive you.[/quote] Well I haven't read anywhere where he denies not having an affair.
By all accounts (referring to the gutter press again) he was emailing photos of his genitals to her. Classy.
Is this the kind of person you want looking after your best interests, BNP or otherwise?
Your rant pretty much sums up the average BNP supporter. Last thing I care about is what a bunch of potato pitbulls care to deign a "forgivable" action. Off to the gas chambers is it for my "kind"?
You can't even spell Christian right!
Robert wrote:
The Vicar (not the BNP one) wrote: Robert wrote: More and more people are getting behind the BNP because it\'s becoming very obvious that the real extremists are the political establishment that are destroying the country. The BNP have right on their side now. They have the moral high ground and it\'s turning into a fight between good and evil as far as I\'m concerened. Well done Vicar, and don\'t be bullied to change your mind.
People can vote for who they like but I still don't see the BNP as a political powerhouse. Their past Nazi and Hitler-loving origins turn off a lot of people - despite the BNP's best efforts to lose that part of their history. I really don't think they have any kind of high ground - moral or otherwise. I mean, your most high profile councillor was found to be cheating on his fiance with an immigrant recently. That's certainly sticking to your principles that one. Plus looking at most BNP councillors reminds of an experiment gone wrong between a pitbull and a human-sized tattooed potato.
Was he? I don't know as I don't bother reading the lying gutter press. If you really are a Vicar you're a disgrace to your country. You should be out there defending your (our)cristian values like this brave Vicar. Instead of hiding behind your spineless PC platitudes. When the day comes that you need the indigenous population to defend you, you'd better pray that they forgive you.
Well I haven't read anywhere where he denies not having an affair.
By all accounts (referring to the gutter press again) he was emailing photos of his genitals to her. Classy.
Is this the kind of person you want looking after your best interests, BNP or otherwise?
Your rant pretty much sums up the average BNP supporter. Last thing I care about is what a bunch of potato pitbulls care to deign a "forgivable" action. Off to the gas chambers is it for my "kind"?
You can't even spell Christian right!
Posted by: John on 9:10pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]evilc[/bold] wrote:
<b> Why worry they are no better no worse than the socialist workers party.
Best to ignore either because they have as much chance of gaining government than the Will woodnog party</b>[/quote] But if there's a big enough economic collapse..Sorry that's another story.
So let's take as an example the Green Party shall we?
They're not in power but their policies have been adopted.
Remember the big 3 are after one thing, votes.
evilc wrote:
<b> Why worry they are no better no worse than the socialist workers party.
Best to ignore either because they have as much chance of gaining government than the Will woodnog party</b>
But if there's a big enough economic collapse..Sorry that's another story.
So let's take as an example the Green Party shall we?
They're not in power but their policies have been adopted.
Remember the big 3 are after one thing, votes.
Posted by: Claudia, Surrey on 9:12pm Tue 6 May 08
Maybe he should be working for a typical local rag that abuses its position, and tries to indoctrinate people into agreeing with its own liberal left political views.
Would that be more acceptable Mr/Ms Echo Editor? Vile bullies.
Maybe he should be working for a typical local rag that abuses its position, and tries to indoctrinate people into agreeing with its own liberal left political views.
Would that be more acceptable Mr/Ms Echo Editor? Vile bullies.
Posted by: Francis Grubb, Westcliff on 9:13pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Clyde[/bold] wrote:
What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs![/quote] Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not...
Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web?
For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy.
I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go.
For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...).
Frank
Clyde wrote:
What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not...
Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web?
For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy.
I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go.
For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...).
Frank
Posted by: Bob, London on 9:22pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Francis Grubb[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Clyde[/bold] wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs![/quote] Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...). Frank [/quote] Do you need to read the echo regularly to see the intimidation intended Plank?
I suspect you're one of the selfish ones that are as yet untouched by the wonders of cultural enrichment, so smugly look down on others not so fortunate.
I challenge you to visit the BNP website and (as you obviously haven't) and find ONE single official party opinion that you disagree with.. if you can trust yourself. Just one. And then post it on here.
Francis Grubb wrote:
Clyde wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...). Frank
Do you need to read the echo regularly to see the intimidation intended Plank?
I suspect you're one of the selfish ones that are as yet untouched by the wonders of cultural enrichment, so smugly look down on others not so fortunate.
I challenge you to visit the BNP website and (as you obviously haven't) and find ONE single official party opinion that you disagree with.. if you can trust yourself. Just one. And then post it on here.
Posted by: John on 9:23pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Francis Grubb[/bold] wrote:
<b>[quote][bold]Clyde[/bold] wrote:
What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs![/quote] Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not...
Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web?
For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy.
I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go.
For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...).
Frank
</b>[/quote] This is the internet Francis. Anti BNP articles get flagged up quite quickly and both left and right pile in and you yourself might be here for other reasons other than being local but let's not get into that routine eh?
Anyway Francis give us an example of truth. I'd like to hear a truth because it's something I don't believe I have heard for a long while now.
Francis Grubb wrote:
<b>Clyde wrote:
What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not...
Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web?
For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy.
I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go.
For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...).
Frank
</b>
This is the internet Francis. Anti BNP articles get flagged up quite quickly and both left and right pile in and you yourself might be here for other reasons other than being local but let's not get into that routine eh?
Anyway Francis give us an example of truth. I'd like to hear a truth because it's something I don't believe I have heard for a long while now.
Posted by: Francis Grubb, Westcliff on 9:28pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote:
I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves. [/quote] Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust?
Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower...
Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go & play with your mates down in Tilbury...
Frank
James wrote:
I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust?
Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower...
Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go & play with your mates down in Tilbury...
Frank
Posted by: Francis Grubb, Westcliff on 9:30pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Francis Grubb[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Clyde[/bold] wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs![/quote] Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...). Frank [/quote] Been there, seen it, laughed a lot. Didn't bother with the t-shirt...
Frank
Francis Grubb wrote:
Clyde wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar's political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man's private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then "Clyde from Northants"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there's any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he's a BNP supporter, but if that's what he believes in, then that's up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don't give a monkey's about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call "the truth" (pmsl...). Frank
Been there, seen it, laughed a lot. Didn't bother with the t-shirt...
Frank
Posted by: Horace Wimpole, Little Futtock on 9:31pm Tue 6 May 08
The BNP and its supporters are just a bunch of mindless sad individuals. End of. They can't even acknowledge modern history. I suggest that both the commenters here, and the Echo at large, stop giving the freakshow so much press. We all know the BNP isn't actually going to get anywhere (amazing, a party even more divided than the tories or Labour!), so let's just leave the stupid tools to it in their wee echo chamber.
Extremists of all persuasions are depressing: it's the 21st century -- get a grip!
The BNP and its supporters are just a bunch of mindless sad individuals. End of. They can't even acknowledge modern history. I suggest that both the commenters here, and the Echo at large, stop giving the freakshow so much press. We all know the BNP isn't actually going to get anywhere (amazing, a party even more divided than the tories or Labour!), so let's just leave the stupid tools to it in their wee echo chamber.
Extremists of all persuasions are depressing: it's the 21st century -- get a grip!
Posted by: Francis Grubb, Westcliff on 9:34pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Francis Grubb[/bold] wrote: <b>[quote][bold]Clyde[/bold] wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar\'s political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man\'s private affairs![/quote] Read the Echo regularly, do you then \"Clyde from Northants\"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there\'s any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he\'s a BNP supporter, but if that\'s what he believes in, then that\'s up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don\'t give a monkey\'s about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call \"the truth\" (pmsl...). Frank </b>[/quote] This is the internet Francis. Anti BNP articles get flagged up quite quickly and both left and right pile in and you yourself might be here for other reasons other than being local but let\'s not get into that routine eh? Anyway Francis give us an example of truth. I\'d like to hear a truth because it\'s something I don\'t believe I have heard for a long while now.[/quote] Nope only on here as a local with no ulterior motive - unlike most of the non-locals on this particular post!
Frank
John wrote:
Francis Grubb wrote: <b>Clyde wrote: What the h*ll has the vicar\'s political views got to do with the Echo anyway? The Echo is clearly engaged in an intimidation exercise! Disgusting intrusion into a man\'s private affairs!
Read the Echo regularly, do you then \"Clyde from Northants\"? Thought not... Or are you just part of the BNP rent-a-mob that descends like flies on here when there\'s any mention of them on the web? For the record, I agree with Kim G (only partially, mind you!); I knew John Stanton when he was a teacher at my school - great guy. I personally find it disappointing that he\'s a BNP supporter, but if that\'s what he believes in, then that\'s up to him. Shame, but there you go. For the second time today (...reaches for the brandy...), I agree with evilc - extremist parties from the far left (SWP or whatever the flavour is these days) or far right (NF/BNP) just don\'t give a monkey\'s about normal people. All they are interested in is getting power to further their own blinkered narrow-minded cause they call \"the truth\" (pmsl...). Frank </b>
This is the internet Francis. Anti BNP articles get flagged up quite quickly and both left and right pile in and you yourself might be here for other reasons other than being local but let\'s not get into that routine eh? Anyway Francis give us an example of truth. I\'d like to hear a truth because it\'s something I don\'t believe I have heard for a long while now.
Nope only on here as a local with no ulterior motive - unlike most of the non-locals on this particular post!
Frank
Posted by: The Vicar, Kamp Baschwitz on 9:35pm Tue 6 May 08
How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best...
http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/images/BNP
_JohnTyndall02.gif
Is that an example of truth?
Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures.
Other examples of truth are:
1. The earth is NOT flat.
2. The moon is NOT made of cheese.
3. Thunder is NOT God clapping.
Anyone else?
Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?
How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best...
http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/images/BNP
_JohnTyndall02.gif
Is that an example of truth?
Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures.
Other examples of truth are:
1. The earth is NOT flat.
2. The moon is NOT made of cheese.
3. Thunder is NOT God clapping.
Anyone else?
Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?
Posted by: Herr Vicar Von Trumpton, Kamp KamberVikGreen on 9:43pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Francis Grubb[/bold] wrote: <b>[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves. [/quote] Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank</b>[/quote] Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?[/quote] We could ask the same of you, John (your name is spelt with a capital letter by the way).
What possible motive could the BNP rent-a-mob have for descending en masse to a local rag that is simply doing its job and publishing a story in the public interest? Men (and chicks) of the Church should really view all men (and chicks) as equal. That includes those dark-skinned types as well.
Rev Stanton's political views change like the wind. Lib-Dem, Tory. Now BNP.
He might go completely crazy next time and join the English Democrats (that's meant in jest, Kim) :p
John wrote:
Francis Grubb wrote: <b>James wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank</b>
Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?
We could ask the same of you, John (your name is spelt with a capital letter by the way).
What possible motive could the BNP rent-a-mob have for descending en masse to a local rag that is simply doing its job and publishing a story in the public interest? Men (and chicks) of the Church should really view all men (and chicks) as equal. That includes those dark-skinned types as well.
Rev Stanton's political views change like the wind. Lib-Dem, Tory. Now BNP.
He might go completely crazy next time and join the English Democrats (that's meant in jest, Kim) :p
Posted by: john on 9:43pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]The Vicar[/bold] wrote:
<b> How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best...
http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/images/BNP
_JohnTyndall02.gif
Is that an example of truth?
Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures.
Other examples of truth are:
1. The earth is NOT flat.
2. The moon is NOT made of cheese.
3. Thunder is NOT God clapping.
Anyone else?
Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?</b>[/quote] No that you've stated the obvious why don't you give the BNP some slack? After all it's the only truth you do not know.
The Vicar wrote:
<b> How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best...
http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/images/BNP
_JohnTyndall02.gif
Is that an example of truth?
Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures.
Other examples of truth are:
1. The earth is NOT flat.
2. The moon is NOT made of cheese.
3. Thunder is NOT God clapping.
Anyone else?
Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?</b>
No that you've stated the obvious why don't you give the BNP some slack? After all it's the only truth you do not know.
Posted by: Francis Grubb, Westcliff on 9:50pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Francis Grubb[/bold] wrote: <b>[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves. [/quote] Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank</b>[/quote] Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?[/quote] "You big baby" Ho, ho, and which playground are you playfully gambolling out from then?
The eloquence of the BNP just marches from strength to strength, doesn't it?
Good night John, good night and good luck. Sigh...
Frank
John wrote:
Francis Grubb wrote: <b>James wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank</b>
Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?
"You big baby" Ho, ho, and which playground are you playfully gambolling out from then?
The eloquence of the BNP just marches from strength to strength, doesn't it?
Good night John, good night and good luck. Sigh...
Frank
Posted by: Baron Von Vicar, Kamp KrustyVeeKlown on 9:52pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Vicar[/bold] wrote: <b> How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best... http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/images/BNP _JohnTyndall02.gif Is that an example of truth? Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures. Other examples of truth are: 1. The earth is NOT flat. 2. The moon is NOT made of cheese. 3. Thunder is NOT God clapping. Anyone else? Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?</b>[/quote] No that you've stated the obvious why don't you give the BNP some slack? After all it's the only truth you do not know.[/quote] I doubt that very much.
Political parties skew "the truth" to suit their needs. They all do it and the BNP are no different. Far right, far left - they all do it.
In all seriousness, the BNP will never lose its Nazi tag. It just won't. Pictures of its founder in Nazi regalia just doesn't seem very "patriotic" to me. A few years previous and he would have been hung as a traitor wouldn't he? Not as the saviour of Britain.
At the end of the day people can vote for who they like and have allegiance to whatever party they like. I'm not left or right - I think most political parties are horrendous. I like the independent candidate myself but nowadays they have little chance.
It's not for me to cut the BNP some slack. They are the ones who have to prove themselves.
I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves. The kind of people they use to promote themselves are often the kind of person who you wouldn't want as a neighbour - let's politely say.
john wrote:
The Vicar wrote: <b> How about this charming photo of BNP Founder, John Tyndall in his Sunday best... http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/images/BNP _JohnTyndall02.gif Is that an example of truth? Or google image John Tyndall Nazi for other charming pictures. Other examples of truth are: 1. The earth is NOT flat. 2. The moon is NOT made of cheese. 3. Thunder is NOT God clapping. Anyone else? Anyway, everyone knows that all politicians are liars and out for themselves so what makes the BNP any different?</b>
No that you've stated the obvious why don't you give the BNP some slack? After all it's the only truth you do not know.
I doubt that very much.
Political parties skew "the truth" to suit their needs. They all do it and the BNP are no different. Far right, far left - they all do it.
In all seriousness, the BNP will never lose its Nazi tag. It just won't. Pictures of its founder in Nazi regalia just doesn't seem very "patriotic" to me. A few years previous and he would have been hung as a traitor wouldn't he? Not as the saviour of Britain.
At the end of the day people can vote for who they like and have allegiance to whatever party they like. I'm not left or right - I think most political parties are horrendous. I like the independent candidate myself but nowadays they have little chance.
It's not for me to cut the BNP some slack. They are the ones who have to prove themselves.
I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves. The kind of people they use to promote themselves are often the kind of person who you wouldn't want as a neighbour - let's politely say.
Posted by: Heike, London on 9:56pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]victim of the nazis[/bold] wrote:
first they came for the jews, and i did not speak out because i was not a jew. then they came for the communists, and i did not speak out because i was not a communist. then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist. then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis. [/quote] Yes, but there are plenty of us to speak for the BNP and if they are silenced and persecuted we will come put for them, whatever the consequences. It's Pastor Niemoeller, by the way.
victim of the nazis wrote:
first they came for the jews, and i did not speak out because i was not a jew. then they came for the communists, and i did not speak out because i was not a communist. then they came for the trades unionists, and i did not speak out as i was not a trades unionist. then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Neimuller, victim of the Nazis.
Yes, but there are plenty of us to speak for the BNP and if they are silenced and persecuted we will come put for them, whatever the consequences. It's Pastor Niemoeller, by the way.
Posted by: john on 9:57pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Herr Vicar Von Trumpton[/bold] wrote:
<b>[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Francis Grubb[/bold] wrote: &lt;b&gt;[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves. [/quote] Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp;amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank&lt;/b&gt;[/quote] Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?[/quote] We could ask the same of you, John (your name is spelt with a capital letter by the way).
What possible motive could the BNP rent-a-mob have for descending en masse to a local rag that is simply doing its job and publishing a story in the public interest? Men (and chicks) of the Church should really view all men (and chicks) as equal. That includes those dark-skinned types as well.
Rev Stanton's political views change like the wind. Lib-Dem, Tory. Now BNP.
He might go completely crazy next time and join the English Democrats (that's meant in jest, Kim) :p</b>[/quote] I should get used to typos it detracts from the arguement.
And I don't blame him for feeling confused because in his day and life I bet he can remember when most political parties had very differenet views.
Herr Vicar Von Trumpton wrote:
<b>John wrote:
Francis Grubb wrote: &lt;b&gt;James wrote: I think I'll email this article to the police. Seems like blatant intimidation to me. You disgust me hounding a good 75 year old man like this, just because you don't agree with his political views. You are the "nazis" Echo. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Hounding? Intimidation? Disgust? Oh how this terrible diatribe against Rev Stanton must hurt your oh-so-sensitive soul, you poor flower... Now pull yourself together, wash your mouth out and say ten "Hail Mussolinis" for pretending to be an offended passer-by. Only then can you go &amp;amp; play with your mates down in Tilbury... Frank&lt;/b&gt;
Ok Frank so effectively hounding an old man means nothing to you, so what's your problem with those that come from out of the area hounding you? eh you big baby?
We could ask the same of you, John (your name is spelt with a capital letter by the way).
What possible motive could the BNP rent-a-mob have for descending en masse to a local rag that is simply doing its job and publishing a story in the public interest? Men (and chicks) of the Church should really view all men (and chicks) as equal. That includes those dark-skinned types as well.
Rev Stanton's political views change like the wind. Lib-Dem, Tory. Now BNP.
He might go completely crazy next time and join the English Democrats (that's meant in jest, Kim) :p</b>
I should get used to typos it detracts from the arguement.
And I don't blame him for feeling confused because in his day and life I bet he can remember when most political parties had very differenet views.
Posted by: ron, Basildon on 9:57pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote]I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves.[/quote] How can you say such a thing? Why, just [bold]look[/bold] at the awesome talent the BNP have collected in these very comments -- John, Claudia [italic]et al[/italic]!
I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves.
How can you say such a thing? Why, just
look at the awesome talent the BNP have collected in these very comments -- John, Claudia
et al!
Posted by: ron, basildon on 10:02pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote]Read the recent election results Frank and get used to it.[/quote] Aye, 7000 votes and one councillor in that sh1thole we call Tilbury. Woo, you go!
Read the recent election results Frank and get used to it.
Aye, 7000 votes and one councillor in that sh1thole we call Tilbury. Woo, you go!
Posted by: Herr Vicar Flik, Kamp KinderZerprize on 10:04pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]ron[/bold] wrote:
[quote]I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves.[/quote] How can you say such a thing? Why, just [bold]look[/bold] at the awesome talent the BNP have collected in these very comments -- John, Claudia [italic]et al[/italic]![/quote] You'd think that such outspoken champions of Britain would know how to use its most common language, English.
Some of it reads as if it's been translated from another language.
German perhaps? Or Urdu? Tee Hee ;)
ron wrote:
I just don't think they are doing a very good job of promoting themselves.
How can you say such a thing? Why, just look at the awesome talent the BNP have collected in these very comments -- John, Claudia et al!
You'd think that such outspoken champions of Britain would know how to use its most common language, English.
Some of it reads as if it's been translated from another language.
German perhaps? Or Urdu? Tee Hee ;)
Posted by: John on 10:05pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Baron Vo
