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Updated: Brooke Kinsella says bring back National Service
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| Brooke Kinsella |
THE sister of a teenager stabbed to death has called for the re-introduction of national service.
Brooke Kinsella, 25, an actress and drama teacher in Benfleet, said knife amnesties are not enough to tackle street violence and young men should be called-up if they persist in using weapons.
Her brother Ben, 16, died in hospital on Sunday after being stabbed outside a pub in Holloway, North London.
Miss Kinsella, who teaches at the Future Faces Theatre School, based at Appleton School, said: "If these young boys want to pick up a weapon and fight then let them go over to national service and fight for a good cause."
The actress, one of four siblings, revealed her brother had been threatened with a knife once in the past, but had managed to calm the situation down.
She said: "He was scared. He sat down at the time and said, that was the scariest thing', but he just carried on."
In an essay Ben had written, he was the main character who was stabbed, but forgave his killer.
Miss Kinsella, who played Kelly Taylor in EastEnders, said: "It's six lives that have been taken.
"At the moment I can't bring myself to forgive what they've done to my mum and dad."
She also said her "biggest wish" now is for witnesses to come forward in the hunt for her brother's killer.
Friends and family of Ben have set up a fund and website in his memory to raise awareness of the effects of gun and knife crime.
His grieving relatives have turned to the internet to urge all teenagers to "put down their knives and weapons and think about the pain and suffering they will cause".
The popular GCSE student became the 17th teenager to die violently in the capital this year.
Ben's family, led by Brooke, plan to use donations to the Ben Kinsella fund to hold events to raise the profile of the problem of weapons on the streets.
The website address is www.benkinsella.org.uk
Three young men, two aged 18 and one aged 19, are in custody after being arrested by detectives investigating the murder.
9:37pm Thursday 3rd July 2008
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CommentPosted by: 152, Rochford on 8:45am Thu 3 Jul 08
Why would the army want to lower their standards in order to take on these ill-disciplined, feral, uneducated, disengaged youths?
Largely they are under 18 so could not be made to fight in any wars anyway.
Brooke makes the assumption that these people will be as 'brave' on the battlefield facing real danger as they are 'brave' when they strut about the street with their knives enforcing their gang culture.
Even if the army did take them on, many would fail the drugs test anyway.
Why would the army want to lower their standards in order to take on these ill-disciplined, feral, uneducated, disengaged youths?
Largely they are under 18 so could not be made to fight in any wars anyway.
Brooke makes the assumption that these people will be as 'brave' on the battlefield facing real danger as they are 'brave' when they strut about the street with their knives enforcing their gang culture.
Even if the army did take them on, many would fail the drugs test anyway.
Posted by: 152, Rochford on 8:47am Thu 3 Jul 08
Also, why punish every single young person in the UK for the crimes of the few?
Also, why punish every single young person in the UK for the crimes of the few?
Posted by: Ethan, UK on 9:17am Thu 3 Jul 08
Great idea. Why not have whole divisions of feckless chavs and send them into the thick of battle. Feeling generous you can even give them some old lee enfields and some ammo too.
Save the regular army for mopping up afterwards.
Great idea. Why not have whole divisions of feckless chavs and send them into the thick of battle. Feeling generous you can even give them some old lee enfields and some ammo too.
Save the regular army for mopping up afterwards.
Posted by: Amy, Laindon on 9:21am Thu 3 Jul 08
I think Brooke is right. These young people need some discipline and to understand the implications of their actions. Putting them in a situation where they have to fight for good would do a great job in helping them get on the straight and narrow in the future.
I think Brooke is right. These young people need some discipline and to understand the implications of their actions. Putting them in a situation where they have to fight for good would do a great job in helping them get on the straight and narrow in the future.
Posted by: Adam Andrews, Southend on 9:27am Thu 3 Jul 08
Let's face it, prison doesnt work so an alternative is needed. I agree a programme instilling discipline and fighting for what is just could be a good way of doing it. The Armed forces have a big part to play here.
Let's face it, prison doesnt work so an alternative is needed. I agree a programme instilling discipline and fighting for what is just could be a good way of doing it. The Armed forces have a big part to play here.
Posted by: Dave H, Southend on 9:30am Thu 3 Jul 08
As 99.99% of young people don't go around stabbing people, it's hardly fair to force them into the army, is it?
As 99.99% of young people don't go around stabbing people, it's hardly fair to force them into the army, is it?
Posted by: Claire, Benfleet on 9:30am Thu 3 Jul 08
I agree with Brooke. I believe that at a minimum a 7-12 week basic training course with one of the 3 armed services would do any/all young people the world of good. Not necessarily to serve a full term but to at least instill the discipline and respect that a lot of young people today seem to lack.
I myself served for 4 years in the RAF and feel that it shaped me into the responsible adult that I am today.
My condolences go out to you and your family Brooke.
I agree with Brooke. I believe that at a minimum a 7-12 week basic training course with one of the 3 armed services would do any/all young people the world of good. Not necessarily to serve a full term but to at least instill the discipline and respect that a lot of young people today seem to lack.
I myself served for 4 years in the RAF and feel that it shaped me into the responsible adult that I am today.
My condolences go out to you and your family Brooke.
Posted by: Tony Winchester, Wos on 9:46am Thu 3 Jul 08
98 percenmt would not last 5 minutes in the army before they go running for mother,no seargeant major will kiss them good night and tuck them in ,
But not a silly idea it will get them off the streets making them safer for all of us and it wont just benefit knife attacks petty crime will drop drastically aswell,and free up a fair amount of police time aswell so they can get back doing real police work,
Not to mention immigration will ease by major amounts because if they had to defend us after a period of being here they wont bother coming in the first place even a majority born here will go back so then eases pressure on schools health care and so on.and most certainly free up prison space s .
Oh well thats my whinge for the day if you agree then good if not i'll respect your thoughts on this item .
98 percenmt would not last 5 minutes in the army before they go running for mother,no seargeant major will kiss them good night and tuck them in ,
But not a silly idea it will get them off the streets making them safer for all of us and it wont just benefit knife attacks petty crime will drop drastically aswell,and free up a fair amount of police time aswell so they can get back doing real police work,
Not to mention immigration will ease by major amounts because if they had to defend us after a period of being here they wont bother coming in the first place even a majority born here will go back so then eases pressure on schools health care and so on.and most certainly free up prison space s .
Oh well thats my whinge for the day if you agree then good if not i'll respect your thoughts on this item .
Posted by: Helen, Essex on 9:48am Thu 3 Jul 08
Perhaps not national service but something similar for young criminals, a new branch of the army dedicated to installing discipline into the rabbid animals that get brought up in this country today.
Perhaps not national service but something similar for young criminals, a new branch of the army dedicated to installing discipline into the rabbid animals that get brought up in this country today.
Posted by: ex3para, canvey on 9:52am Thu 3 Jul 08
it would install some hard discipline into them, teach them respect. i agree that if these scum want to pick up a weapon and use it then send them to the front line, they would get a much bigger shock believe me + it would boost the seriously low numbers across the armed forces at the same time. i dont not agree woth sending everyone there, the youths that can show they are doing something ie: college, uni or in a good job should be exempt whilst the idiots who do f**k all with there lives but cause endless trouble should go
it would install some hard discipline into them, teach them respect. i agree that if these scum want to pick up a weapon and use it then send them to the front line, they would get a much bigger shock believe me + it would boost the seriously low numbers across the armed forces at the same time. i dont not agree woth sending everyone there, the youths that can show they are doing something ie: college, uni or in a good job should be exempt whilst the idiots who do f**k all with there lives but cause endless trouble should go
Posted by: Adam, Westcliff-on-Sea on 9:53am Thu 3 Jul 08
As Dave and 152 state, why punish everybody else. Could be a viable option for youngsters identified as having issues and being possible offenders, but there is no way I would want to do national service! I can behave myself like most normal people, I dont need the threat of NS to be a good and law abiding person! If you want to join the services then great, but you should not be forced into it. How would a compulsory 12 week stint in the services work?? What about those that want to go to university to get qualifications and get a good job! As I said though, could be an option for those identified at risk of offending.
As Dave and 152 state, why punish everybody else. Could be a viable option for youngsters identified as having issues and being possible offenders, but there is no way I would want to do national service! I can behave myself like most normal people, I dont need the threat of NS to be a good and law abiding person! If you want to join the services then great, but you should not be forced into it. How would a compulsory 12 week stint in the services work?? What about those that want to go to university to get qualifications and get a good job! As I said though, could be an option for those identified at risk of offending.
Posted by: Linda, Basildon on 9:56am Thu 3 Jul 08
Send the oppressors off to a desert island surrounded with shark infested waters, minus their moeys or mummies and make em do some hard graft to earn their food and bed for the day.
For those who can't resist venting their aggression on to others,(without knives or any other weapons being available) it will be a good way of educating the inhabitants of the population on the island and hopefully some will be able to return to the mainland once they have proved they can be taught how to behave in a civilised way and show respect for others.
Send the oppressors off to a desert island surrounded with shark infested waters, minus their moeys or mummies and make em do some hard graft to earn their food and bed for the day.
For those who can't resist venting their aggression on to others,(without knives or any other weapons being available) it will be a good way of educating the inhabitants of the population on the island and hopefully some will be able to return to the mainland once they have proved they can be taught how to behave in a civilised way and show respect for others.
Posted by: Les, Basildon on 10:03am Thu 3 Jul 08
National Service is a great idea even if it's just to instil disciplne in a generation without respect or fear of consequences. This of course wont replace the need for law and order where a crime is punished properly. We have watered down the value of society to being almost worthless. The kids are almost feral now and the carrying of weapons by the vast majority is for their own protection. They know it's only a matter of time before they become the targets they have so feared. Who can blame them for wanting to protect themselves when we as a society have left them, and ourselves totally unprotected by the impitence of law and order? The blame lies not with the kids, or even sloppy parents. It lies with us for allowing the politicians and police to cut corners on the founding principles of a good society. It's not only us adults who are afraid of the streets these days, the kids are too. REMEMBER these feral kids are now starting to breed and the way things are going we will soon be living the *Mad Max* nightmare!
National Service is a great idea even if it's just to instil disciplne in a generation without respect or fear of consequences. This of course wont replace the need for law and order where a crime is punished properly. We have watered down the value of society to being almost worthless. The kids are almost feral now and the carrying of weapons by the vast majority is for their own protection. They know it's only a matter of time before they become the targets they have so feared. Who can blame them for wanting to protect themselves when we as a society have left them, and ourselves totally unprotected by the impitence of law and order? The blame lies not with the kids, or even sloppy parents. It lies with us for allowing the politicians and police to cut corners on the founding principles of a good society. It's not only us adults who are afraid of the streets these days, the kids are too. REMEMBER these feral kids are now starting to breed and the way things are going we will soon be living the *Mad Max* nightmare!
Posted by: Les, Basildon on 10:26am Thu 3 Jul 08
Prison DOES work. It rids society of the danger presented by law breaking scum and as such we, society, are protected. Which is the purpose of law and order. Prison is a soft touch these days yes, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work for the rest of us. Whilst we are being protected from the criminals IT WORKS.
Lock each and every one of them up and let the devil work it out!
Prison DOES work. It rids society of the danger presented by law breaking scum and as such we, society, are protected. Which is the purpose of law and order. Prison is a soft touch these days yes, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work for the rest of us. Whilst we are being protected from the criminals IT WORKS.
Lock each and every one of them up and let the devil work it out!
Posted by: The Vicar, Basildon on 11:00am Thu 3 Jul 08
Surely it would be better to bring back the old Arenas and let these "hard-men" fight it out like the old Roman Gladiators. Emperor Ian Wright could host it. "Chaviators". Viewers could press the red button on their sky remote for the thumbs up or the green button for the thumbs down. Throw their parents in for good order as well because well, scum breeds scum in 99% of these cases.
And why the Army? There are some in the army who are little better than these animals once they're tanked up.
Never been to Colchester on a Friday or Saturday night?
The only good point is that their officers will discipline them if they are out of order.
Surely it would be better to bring back the old Arenas and let these "hard-men" fight it out like the old Roman Gladiators. Emperor Ian Wright could host it. "Chaviators". Viewers could press the red button on their sky remote for the thumbs up or the green button for the thumbs down. Throw their parents in for good order as well because well, scum breeds scum in 99% of these cases.
And why the Army? There are some in the army who are little better than these animals once they're tanked up.
Never been to Colchester on a Friday or Saturday night?
The only good point is that their officers will discipline them if they are out of order.
Posted by: Aint it just the truth on 11:26am Thu 3 Jul 08
Prosecute the patents too. Every time one of these feral animals commits a violent crime the parents should also be brought before the courts and be made to prove they have done all the right things. Parenthood has responsibilities too but they are not currently enforced by law. Also take away the priviledges these thugs currently enjoy in prison and make them work for their keep. Prison has to be a punishment or it's no deterrent.
Prosecute the patents too. Every time one of these feral animals commits a violent crime the parents should also be brought before the courts and be made to prove they have done all the right things. Parenthood has responsibilities too but they are not currently enforced by law. Also take away the priviledges these thugs currently enjoy in prison and make them work for their keep. Prison has to be a punishment or it's no deterrent.
Posted by: The Vicar, Basildon on 11:35am Thu 3 Jul 08
Let's not also forget that Eastenders hardly sets a good example to young people does it?
It's all drink, drink, drink, fight, fight, fight on that show.
How do characters on Eastenders solve their disputes? Fighting and killing other characters.
Let's not also forget that Eastenders hardly sets a good example to young people does it?
It's all drink, drink, drink, fight, fight, fight on that show.
How do characters on Eastenders solve their disputes? Fighting and killing other characters.
Posted by: Robbo on 11:56am Thu 3 Jul 08
so people like her brother and other innocent young people would be stuck in army camps with these people, how would they be when they came out
so people like her brother and other innocent young people would be stuck in army camps with these people, how would they be when they came out
Posted by: Margaret Stoll, Rochford on 12:05pm Thu 3 Jul 08
I feel for this young woman who has lost her brother so needlessly, and her comments are just hitting out blindly in the hope of a solution being found somehow, somewhere. But she has no idea what she's talking about. She didn't go to school with young men who were soon to be drafted into the armed forces, no arguments, no reprieve. Life was very different then. National service as it existed up to the early 1960s was hardly invented as a means of curing street violence, knife and gun crime or gang culture. Although there were gangs, there was not the gratuitous violence that one sees reported on a daily basis now. That violence and lack of tolerance seems to be at every level. We saw a group of young people of both sexes walking towards Shoebury Common only this week, and their language was appalling. My husband called out to them 'Stop that f***ing swearing!' They turned to him and laughed.
I agree with 152 of Rochford. The lads who were drafted as national servicemen were very different from the highly-professional armed forces that we had today - why make the present armed forces the scapegoats?
I feel for this young woman who has lost her brother so needlessly, and her comments are just hitting out blindly in the hope of a solution being found somehow, somewhere. But she has no idea what she's talking about. She didn't go to school with young men who were soon to be drafted into the armed forces, no arguments, no reprieve. Life was very different then. National service as it existed up to the early 1960s was hardly invented as a means of curing street violence, knife and gun crime or gang culture. Although there were gangs, there was not the gratuitous violence that one sees reported on a daily basis now. That violence and lack of tolerance seems to be at every level. We saw a group of young people of both sexes walking towards Shoebury Common only this week, and their language was appalling. My husband called out to them 'Stop that f***ing swearing!' They turned to him and laughed.
I agree with 152 of Rochford. The lads who were drafted as national servicemen were very different from the highly-professional armed forces that we had today - why make the present armed forces the scapegoats?
Posted by: linda, southend on 12:06pm Thu 3 Jul 08
[quote][bold]The Vicar[/bold] wrote:
Let's not also forget that Eastenders hardly sets a good example to young people does it? It's all drink, drink, drink, fight, fight, fight on that show. How do characters on Eastenders solve their disputes? Fighting and killing other characters.[/quote] oh do behave. She is an actreaa for goodness sake - just doing a job. Perhaps Eastenders then is indicative of real life? Is that what you are saying?
The Vicar wrote:
Let's not also forget that Eastenders hardly sets a good example to young people does it? It's all drink, drink, drink, fight, fight, fight on that show. How do characters on Eastenders solve their disputes? Fighting and killing other characters.
oh do behave. She is an actreaa for goodness sake - just doing a job. Perhaps Eastenders then is indicative of real life? Is that what you are saying?
Posted by: The Vicar, Basildon on 12:20pm Thu 3 Jul 08
[quote][bold]linda[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Vicar[/bold] wrote: Let's not also forget that Eastenders hardly sets a good example to young people does it? It's all drink, drink, drink, fight, fight, fight on that show. How do characters on Eastenders solve their disputes? Fighting and killing other characters.[/quote] oh do behave. She is an actreaa for goodness sake - just doing a job. Perhaps Eastenders then is indicative of real life? Is that what you are saying? [/quote] While I feel sorry for her and her family, a violent society reared on pre-watershed violence must have some effect on the young idiots in this dump of a country. And it's not just to make money for the BBC with their "Action Line." Aren't the producers of Eastenders always carping on about how "realistic" their show is?
I don't hear any of these actors/actresses condemning shows for encouraging violent and drunken behaviour while they're on the payroll of such shows. Look at the current storyline with Sean Slater. What's THAT all about? It's hardly entertaining either - unless you view Eastenders as a comedy (which it is).
If Eastenders was indicative of real life then the acts in the show could be said to have a point. However, all the violence and psychotic behaviour in these shows is done purely for grabbing ratings. Burying people alive? Come on.
Everyone on that show is a psycho or a gangster and the villanous characters are glamourised beyond belief. All the women are treated as thinly-veiled whores (with the exception of Dot Cotton of course).
Name one character who is a decent human being on that show.
I can only name one:
Well'ard.
linda wrote:
The Vicar wrote: Let's not also forget that Eastenders hardly sets a good example to young people does it? It's all drink, drink, drink, fight, fight, fight on that show. How do characters on Eastenders solve their disputes? Fighting and killing other characters.
oh do behave. She is an actreaa for goodness sake - just doing a job. Perhaps Eastenders then is indicative of real life? Is that what you are saying?
While I feel sorry for her and her family, a violent society reared on pre-watershed violence must have some effect on the young idiots in this dump of a country. And it's not just to make money for the BBC with their "Action Line." Aren't the producers of Eastenders always carping on about how "realistic" their show is?
I don't hear any of these actors/actresses condemning shows for encouraging violent and drunken behaviour while they're on the payroll of such shows. Look at the current storyline with Sean Slater. What's THAT all about? It's hardly entertaining either - unless you view Eastenders as a comedy (which it is).
If Eastenders was indicative of real life then the acts in the show could be said to have a point. However, all the violence and psychotic behaviour in these shows is done purely for grabbing ratings. Burying people alive? Come on.
Everyone on that show is a psycho or a gangster and the villanous characters are glamourised beyond belief. All the women are treated as thinly-veiled whores (with the exception of Dot Cotton of course).
Name one character who is a decent human being on that show.
I can only name one:
Well'ard.
Posted by: Anon, Rayleigh on 12:45pm Thu 3 Jul 08
What we are all forgeting here is that someone has lost a life due to mindless violence, you are all quick to come on here and joke about tv shows and what that portrays and everything else but the main point is......someone has lost a life
National Service is a great idea, im a law abiding citizen and i am 22 if i had to do National Service i would welcome it with open arms.
What we are all forgeting here is that someone has lost a life due to mindless violence, you are all quick to come on here and joke about tv shows and what that portrays and everything else but the main point is......someone has lost a life
National Service is a great idea, im a law abiding citizen and i am 22 if i had to do National Service i would welcome it with open arms.
Posted by: Trunkymunghound, Essex on 1:10pm Thu 3 Jul 08
[quote][bold]linda[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Vicar[/bold] wrote: Let's not also forget that Eastenders hardly sets a good example to young people does it? It's all drink, drink, drink, fight, fight, fight on that show. How do characters on Eastenders solve their disputes? Fighting and killing other characters.[/quote] oh do behave. She is an actreaa for goodness sake - just doing a job. Perhaps Eastenders then is indicative of real life? Is that what you are saying? [/quote] A fan then eh Linda?( and probably emmerdale, corrie, bill etc etc)
So theses soaps have no effect on idiots who watch them?
Think again Linda
linda wrote:
The Vicar wrote: Let's not also forget that Eastenders hardly sets a good example to young people does it? It's all drink, drink, drink, fight, fight, fight on that show. How do characters on Eastenders solve their disputes? Fighting and killing other characters.
oh do behave. She is an actreaa for goodness sake - just doing a job. Perhaps Eastenders then is indicative of real life? Is that what you are saying?
A fan then eh Linda?( and probably emmerdale, corrie, bill etc etc)
So theses soaps have no effect on idiots who watch them?
Think again Linda
Posted by: Firestorm, Southend on 1:25pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Give them 2 years of training on how to use weapons / kill people.
And that will prevent people from killing others how exactly ?
Give them 2 years of training on how to use weapons / kill people.
And that will prevent people from killing others how exactly ?
Posted by: patriot, westcliff on 1:47pm Thu 3 Jul 08
national service should not confined to the armed forces why not include nursing, fire service,police,care of the elderly,and even refuse collection.
national service should not confined to the armed forces why not include nursing, fire service,police,care of the elderly,and even refuse collection.
Posted by: marobby on 2:53pm Thu 3 Jul 08
so, we'll put all the nasty people in the army, and all the nice ones can empty bins and look after the old folk, nurse and put out fires, but aren't those jobs already being taken care of ?
so, we'll put all the nasty people in the army, and all the nice ones can empty bins and look after the old folk, nurse and put out fires, but aren't those jobs already being taken care of ?
Posted by: James, Southend on 3:00pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Sorry, but why the hell would the forces, who are professional, heroic and true men and women, want scumbags and chavs among the ranks. No thanks, not for me.
Sorry, but why the hell would the forces, who are professional, heroic and true men and women, want scumbags and chavs among the ranks. No thanks, not for me.
Posted by: Gill Butcher, Basildon on 4:21pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Reading the comments above I dont think people have got the gist of the discipline which National Service would instill in these people who clearly have no order or respect to their lives - everything seems to be acceptable. They need to be taught the difference between right and wrong and be given the opportunity for them to amount to something in their lives, instead of ending up as just another no hoper, sponging off everybody else.I mean what makes a Chav or a scumbag as stated above?
Reading the comments above I dont think people have got the gist of the discipline which National Service would instill in these people who clearly have no order or respect to their lives - everything seems to be acceptable. They need to be taught the difference between right and wrong and be given the opportunity for them to amount to something in their lives, instead of ending up as just another no hoper, sponging off everybody else.I mean what makes a Chav or a scumbag as stated above?
Posted by: Kizzy, Canvey on 4:22pm Thu 3 Jul 08
What we need is a boot camp style young offenders unit. They are put straight in to serve their time and it is run ARMY-LIKE - no mucking about and then then should have to work chain gang style on tidying up the streets, graffitti removing, in bright orange suits so everybody knows what these people are.
What we need is a boot camp style young offenders unit. They are put straight in to serve their time and it is run ARMY-LIKE - no mucking about and then then should have to work chain gang style on tidying up the streets, graffitti removing, in bright orange suits so everybody knows what these people are.
Posted by: E, Essex on 4:25pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Not sure her idea is a soloution but it sure as hell is a start! something has to be done I work in a school and there is no respect for anyone or anything. Something has got to be done!
Not sure her idea is a soloution but it sure as hell is a start! something has to be done I work in a school and there is no respect for anyone or anything. Something has got to be done!
Posted by: patriot, westcliff on 4:37pm Thu 3 Jul 08
[quote][bold]marobby[/bold] wrote:
so, we\'ll put all the nasty people in the army, and all the nice ones can empty bins and look after the old folk, nurse and put out fires, but aren\'t those jobs already being taken care of ?[/quote] we are always hearing of over stretched public serives if every young person did their bit it would ease that problem. During the last national service era there was still regular service men and women no grumbles about taking their jobs
marobby wrote:
so, we\'ll put all the nasty people in the army, and all the nice ones can empty bins and look after the old folk, nurse and put out fires, but aren\'t those jobs already being taken care of ?
we are always hearing of over stretched public serives if every young person did their bit it would ease that problem. During the last national service era there was still regular service men and women no grumbles about taking their jobs
Posted by: Tony on 4:55pm Thu 3 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Dave H[/bold] wrote:
As 99.99% of young people don't go around stabbing people, it's hardly fair to force them into the army, is it?[/quote] I think she was talking about the little scumbags who go around thinking it is clever to use knives and guns. Also if you were to get out a bit more you would find that the percentage of people who do not go around stabbing others is a lot less than 99.99%.
Dave H wrote:
As 99.99% of young people don't go around stabbing people, it's hardly fair to force them into the army, is it?
I think she was talking about the little scumbags who go around thinking it is clever to use knives and guns. Also if you were to get out a bit more you would find that the percentage of people who do not go around stabbing others is a lot less than 99.99%.
Posted by: taz, pitsea on 5:31pm Thu 3 Jul 08
why don't the goverment bring out life for a life the dna is ment to be so good they say that it is 99.9% accurate so if people are big enough to kill someone they must be big enough too dye all this talk about putting them in the army sucks a nice eletric chair would do the trick at least they will be doing life not just 12 years
why don't the goverment bring out life for a life the dna is ment to be so good they say that it is 99.9% accurate so if people are big enough to kill someone they must be big enough too dye all this talk about putting them in the army sucks a nice eletric chair would do the trick at least they will be doing life not just 12 years
Posted by: James, Southend on 6:08pm Thu 3 Jul 08
These CHAV feckwits would buckle in a real fight. But to give them free training is madness, they would come out tougher and think they are the cats tats. I think it would make the situation worse. Taz, is on the right lines with eye for an eye - Either that or use the clockwork orange method. Either way this has to stop. This is supposed to be a lawful society, we're 2 Days away from abstract carnage where this sort of thing would happen every hour. If you're looking for someone to blame, blame the parents and their gene pool, they're obviously not fit to educate their children right from wrong so maybe a DNA test and IQ test is the solution to have children in the future? It would stop these CHAV scum families breeding as they only know how to sign their name for benefits and hold their hands out. I'm no snob, I work hard and come from a loving working class family but these people are the scum of the planet, I hope they become the food of aliens, I for one would back the mass cull of these stupid people.
These CHAV feckwits would buckle in a real fight. But to give them free training is madness, they would come out tougher and think they are the cats tats. I think it would make the situation worse. Taz, is on the right lines with eye for an eye - Either that or use the clockwork orange method. Either way this has to stop. This is supposed to be a lawful society, we're 2 Days away from abstract carnage where this sort of thing would happen every hour. If you're looking for someone to blame, blame the parents and their gene pool, they're obviously not fit to educate their children right from wrong so maybe a DNA test and IQ test is the solution to have children in the future? It would stop these CHAV scum families breeding as they only know how to sign their name for benefits and hold their hands out. I'm no snob, I work hard and come from a loving working class family but these people are the scum of the planet, I hope they become the food of aliens, I for one would back the mass cull of these stupid people.
Posted by: Margaret Stoll, Rochford on 6:30pm Thu 3 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Kizzy[/bold] wrote:
<b> What we need is a boot camp style young offenders unit. They are put straight in to serve their time and it is run ARMY-LIKE - no mucking about and then then should have to work chain gang style on tidying up the streets, graffitti removing, in bright orange suits so everybody knows what these people are.</b>[/quote] This idea has been tried. In the late 1970s/early 1980s there were these 'boot-camp' style YOIs. The then Home Secretary, one William Whitelaw, advocated the 'short sharp shock' approach.
I have heard it said that all it did was to produce a generation of fit, strong, active young burglars.
Kizzy wrote:
<b> What we need is a boot camp style young offenders unit. They are put straight in to serve their time and it is run ARMY-LIKE - no mucking about and then then should have to work chain gang style on tidying up the streets, graffitti removing, in bright orange suits so everybody knows what these people are.</b>
This idea has been tried. In the late 1970s/early 1980s there were these 'boot-camp' style YOIs. The then Home Secretary, one William Whitelaw, advocated the 'short sharp shock' approach.
I have heard it said that all it did was to produce a generation of fit, strong, active young burglars.
Posted by: Ivanna Goodhump on 6:37pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Food for thought :
The families of many of these kids who carry knives and commit crime never seem to be highlighted in the press or held responsible for the actions of their offspring.
That bulldozer driver in Isreal this week who killed three people will have his families house demolished by the authorities and all family benefits cancelled.
It may sound extreme but something needs to be done to make some of these feral parents stop and think. If there were immediate strong sanctions against them - eviction, confiscation of property, large punitive fines,cancellation of benefits etc etc coupled with mandatory 5 year sentences for carrying a knife it would go someway toward reducing the problem.
The time for lilly livered liberal attitudes has now past - it's that mindset that has got us into this situation
Food for thought :
The families of many of these kids who carry knives and commit crime never seem to be highlighted in the press or held responsible for the actions of their offspring.
That bulldozer driver in Isreal this week who killed three people will have his families house demolished by the authorities and all family benefits cancelled.
It may sound extreme but something needs to be done to make some of these feral parents stop and think. If there were immediate strong sanctions against them - eviction, confiscation of property, large punitive fines,cancellation of benefits etc etc coupled with mandatory 5 year sentences for carrying a knife it would go someway toward reducing the problem.
The time for lilly livered liberal attitudes has now past - it's that mindset that has got us into this situation
Posted by: taz, pitsea on 7:23pm Thu 3 Jul 08
this is england not isreal why blame the parents i don't think they would give them the weapons and say go and kill someone i think they would be deverstated to find that there child has done somthing like that eye for a eye would do the trick
this is england not isreal why blame the parents i don't think they would give them the weapons and say go and kill someone i think they would be deverstated to find that there child has done somthing like that eye for a eye would do the trick
Posted by: APR, Benfleet on 7:51pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Perhaps Brooke Kinsella should stick to Eastenders ?
Perhaps Brooke Kinsella should stick to Eastenders ?
Posted by: paula, grays on 8:57pm Thu 3 Jul 08
No.. national service would not work, we cannot go back in time.. i dont know what the answer is, prison sentences need to be tougher,,
No.. national service would not work, we cannot go back in time.. i dont know what the answer is, prison sentences need to be tougher,,
Posted by: Paul, Canvey Island on 9:08pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Surely we are all forgetting something here, The Army would not want these toe rags to join in the first place, no matter how old they are. Would you want one of these morons backing you up in a fire fight, No you would not.
They are a bunch of cowards of the first order, by themselves they cannot operate, they need the backing of a gang behind them, who else would they go to and be able to boast of their mis-deeds.
Kizzy has the right idea. Put them straight into a Boot Camp run by the army, it would not be long before they are crying for their mum. Or maybe not!
Because of the major failure of this generation of parents, a small minority I have to say, their ferel children have taken over adult lives, whereas in the past it was the adult in charge of children, now its the reverse. With this minority of parents they have little or no idea of how to bring up children, and that is why the child eventually takes over and unfortunately these parents are not strong enough, and in the main ill disciplined themselves.
Putting these low lifes into the Army wont work, it will devalue the army, a Boot Camp may just work.
Surely we are all forgetting something here, The Army would not want these toe rags to join in the first place, no matter how old they are. Would you want one of these morons backing you up in a fire fight, No you would not.
They are a bunch of cowards of the first order, by themselves they cannot operate, they need the backing of a gang behind them, who else would they go to and be able to boast of their mis-deeds.
Kizzy has the right idea. Put them straight into a Boot Camp run by the army, it would not be long before they are crying for their mum. Or maybe not!
Because of the major failure of this generation of parents, a small minority I have to say, their ferel children have taken over adult lives, whereas in the past it was the adult in charge of children, now its the reverse. With this minority of parents they have little or no idea of how to bring up children, and that is why the child eventually takes over and unfortunately these parents are not strong enough, and in the main ill disciplined themselves.
Putting these low lifes into the Army wont work, it will devalue the army, a Boot Camp may just work.
Posted by: Terry on 9:58pm Thu 3 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Margaret Stoll[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kizzy[/bold] wrote: <b> What we need is a boot camp style young offenders unit. They are put straight in to serve their time and it is run ARMY-LIKE - no mucking about and then then should have to work chain gang style on tidying up the streets, graffitti removing, in bright orange suits so everybody knows what these people are.</b>[/quote] This idea has been tried. In the late 1970s/early 1980s there were these 'boot-camp' style YOIs. The then Home Secretary, one William Whitelaw, advocated the 'short sharp shock' approach. I have heard it said that all it did was to produce a generation of fit, strong, active young burglars.[/quote] You have to go back to the 50's to have a system that worked, plenty of stodgy food and a beating if they stepped out of line. The soft seventies idea of a "boot camp" was a joke
Margaret Stoll wrote:
Kizzy wrote: <b> What we need is a boot camp style young offenders unit. They are put straight in to serve their time and it is run ARMY-LIKE - no mucking about and then then should have to work chain gang style on tidying up the streets, graffitti removing, in bright orange suits so everybody knows what these people are.</b>
This idea has been tried. In the late 1970s/early 1980s there were these 'boot-camp' style YOIs. The then Home Secretary, one William Whitelaw, advocated the 'short sharp shock' approach. I have heard it said that all it did was to produce a generation of fit, strong, active young burglars.
You have to go back to the 50's to have a system that worked, plenty of stodgy food and a beating if they stepped out of line. The soft seventies idea of a "boot camp" was a joke
Posted by: Brian Mendes, Ontario Canada on 1:33am Fri 4 Jul 08
Forget National Service..just reopen the military prisons at Shepton Mallett and Colchester and run them for young offenders the way they were in the 40's and 50's.
Forget National Service..just reopen the military prisons at Shepton Mallett and Colchester and run them for young offenders the way they were in the 40's and 50's.
Posted by: Why are we listening to some bit-part actress?, Get A Grip on 1:52am Fri 4 Jul 08
Chortle.
Posted by: Steve, Leigh on 11:21am Fri 4 Jul 08
Fundamental changes are needed within the current prison/legal system - chuck out the weights, the Play stations, TV's etc from the prisons, bring back community schemes where offenders work for nothing and are easily identified as being prisoners (orange jumpsuits?) Bring back the discipline, punish those people bucking the system by lengthening their sentences; not giving time off for good behaviour! Make prisons places where people do not want to return to. The judiciary also need a swift wake up kick in the backside as well - I can only think of one occasion where a mandatory 5 year sentence was given out for illegal gun ownership - why not more? Get caught with a gun (or a knife) go to jail, do not pass go! However, with this bunch of totally inept, PC loving, tree hugging fluffy bunnies there's no chance of anything happening as none of them have the cajones for it!
Fundamental changes are needed within the current prison/legal system - chuck out the weights, the Play stations, TV's etc from the prisons, bring back community schemes where offenders work for nothing and are easily identified as being prisoners (orange jumpsuits?) Bring back the discipline, punish those people bucking the system by lengthening their sentences; not giving time off for good behaviour! Make prisons places where people do not want to return to. The judiciary also need a swift wake up kick in the backside as well - I can only think of one occasion where a mandatory 5 year sentence was given out for illegal gun ownership - why not more? Get caught with a gun (or a knife) go to jail, do not pass go! However, with this bunch of totally inept, PC loving, tree hugging fluffy bunnies there's no chance of anything happening as none of them have the cajones for it!
Posted by: debbie, basildon on 2:30pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Whilst I sympathise with Brooke Kinsella and would hate it to happen to a member of my family can we first ask the question what was a lad of his age doing out at that time of night in a pub or have I got the wrong end of the stick perhaps although National Service would be good for some it would just make others worse where are the parents make them responsible for the actions of their children also all under 18's should not be allowed out after a certain time and stop the under age drinking don't really have an answer but more parental control is definitely one way forward
Whilst I sympathise with Brooke Kinsella and would hate it to happen to a member of my family can we first ask the question what was a lad of his age doing out at that time of night in a pub or have I got the wrong end of the stick perhaps although National Service would be good for some it would just make others worse where are the parents make them responsible for the actions of their children also all under 18's should not be allowed out after a certain time and stop the under age drinking don't really have an answer but more parental control is definitely one way forward
Posted by: mike, southend on 3:04pm Fri 4 Jul 08
I think National Service is not a bad idea for anyone who does not go into further education anyway, like an alternative sixth form. However these youths who are stabbing others and the like need to be put into BORSTALS like they would have in the past. i would also like to add that there are many violent people walking about who are mentally unstable showing psychotic behaviour, these people would be put into ASYLUMS if there was any. But no, there are no institutions like these, why? (sarcastically) because they are nasty places and we cant treat humans so nastily and we must care for them within the community. The community that they are destroying! England is going to the dogs and it may be because most of the people in power are Scotsmen who historically hate us, they don't care.
I think National Service is not a bad idea for anyone who does not go into further education anyway, like an alternative sixth form. However these youths who are stabbing others and the like need to be put into BORSTALS like they would have in the past. i would also like to add that there are many violent people walking about who are mentally unstable showing psychotic behaviour, these people would be put into ASYLUMS if there was any. But no, there are no institutions like these, why? (sarcastically) because they are nasty places and we cant treat humans so nastily and we must care for them within the community. The community that they are destroying! England is going to the dogs and it may be because most of the people in power are Scotsmen who historically hate us, they don't care.
Posted by: Tony on 5:54pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]You're stupid[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Dave H[/bold] wrote: As 99.99% of young people don't go around stabbing people, it's hardly fair to force them into the army, is it?[/quote] I think she was talking about the little scumbags who go around thinking it is clever to use knives and guns. Also if you were to get out a bit more you would find that the percentage of people who do not go around stabbing others is a lot less than 99.99%.[/quote] What, like soldiers? You people are f u c king stupid.[/quote] No, the little scumbags who go around shooting, stabbing and kicking people to death, you must be one of them. Don't like to hear what people think of you do you.
You're stupid wrote:
Tony wrote: Dave H wrote: As 99.99% of young people don't go around stabbing people, it's hardly fair to force them into the army, is it?
I think she was talking about the little scumbags who go around thinking it is clever to use knives and guns. Also if you were to get out a bit more you would find that the percentage of people who do not go around stabbing others is a lot less than 99.99%.
What, like soldiers? You people are f u c king stupid.
No, the little scumbags who go around shooting, stabbing and kicking people to death, you must be one of them. Don't like to hear what people think of you do you.
Posted by: Dave on 5:57pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Tony[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]You're stupid[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Dave H[/bold] wrote: As 99.99% of young people don't go around stabbing people, it's hardly fair to force them into the army, is it?[/quote] I think she was talking about the little scumbags who go around thinking it is clever to use knives and guns. Also if you were to get out a bit more you would find that the percentage of people who do not go around stabbing others is a lot less than 99.99%.[/quote] What, like soldiers? You people are f u c king stupid.[/quote] No, the little scumbags who go around shooting, stabbing and kicking people to death, you must be one of them. Don't like to hear what people think of you do you.[/quote] I think 'you're stupid', good name by the way, would benefit from a spending some time in the borstals they had in the 40's and 50's.
Tony wrote:
You're stupid wrote: Tony wrote: Dave H wrote: As 99.99% of young people don't go around stabbing people, it's hardly fair to force them into the army, is it?
I think she was talking about the little scumbags who go around thinking it is clever to use knives and guns. Also if you were to get out a bit more you would find that the percentage of people who do not go around stabbing others is a lot less than 99.99%.
What, like soldiers? You people are f u c king stupid.
No, the little scumbags who go around shooting, stabbing and kicking people to death, you must be one of them. Don't like to hear what people think of you do you.
I think 'you're stupid', good name by the way, would benefit from a spending some time in the borstals they had in the 40's and 50's.
Posted by: shallotman, Basildon on 6:41pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Maybe a penal battalion that would carry out all the unsavoury jobs.
Maybe a penal battalion that would carry out all the unsavoury jobs.
Posted by: Happy Chappy, Basil - on the - Don on 7:01pm Fri 4 Jul 08
I think it's quite a sensible idea to get these scumbags sorry morally challenged individuals to join up and support the ranks.
It will free up decent soldiers to get on and do important work whilst these conscripts are made to peel the spuds, polish boots, or be forced to walk through minefields to ensure the safety of regular troops.
Works for me...
I think it's quite a sensible idea to get these scumbags sorry morally challenged individuals to join up and support the ranks.
It will free up decent soldiers to get on and do important work whilst these conscripts are made to peel the spuds, polish boots, or be forced to walk through minefields to ensure the safety of regular troops.
Works for me...
Posted by: Hugh, Canvey Island on 7:26pm Fri 4 Jul 08
'You're stupid' epitomises the level of intelligence required to actually put forward a decent posting on such a Anti Social subject, (no intelligence at all), and it shows in what has been written.
It also highlights his/her lack of ability and education in not being able to express oneself without recourse to Foul and Abusive language. What a shame.
'You're stupid' epitomises the level of intelligence required to actually put forward a decent posting on such a Anti Social subject, (no intelligence at all), and it shows in what has been written.
It also highlights his/her lack of ability and education in not being able to express oneself without recourse to Foul and Abusive language. What a shame.
Posted by: Bosniavet, Essex on 10:16pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
What we are all forgeting here is that someone has lost a life due to mindless violence, you are all quick to come on here and joke about tv shows and what that portrays and everything else but the main point is......someone has lost a life National Service is a great idea, im a law abiding citizen and i am 22 if i had to do National Service i would welcome it with open arms.[/quote] Well, Anon, maybe you should just enlist in the regular or volunteer reserve element of HM Forces if you are that keen to serve.
I know that the armed forces do not want the type of young people that commit these crimes, but am convinced something needs to be done. For a start, why not impose discipline at home & in schools? Then, maybe we should make life imprisonment mean what it says, & do away with early release schemes, & make inmates serve the sentence imposed.
But, of course, all this is against the human rights of those concerned. we need to consider the law-abiding majority, not the moronic, criminal minority.
With that, I step down from my soapbox & walk away....
Anon wrote:
What we are all forgeting here is that someone has lost a life due to mindless violence, you are all quick to come on here and joke about tv shows and what that portrays and everything else but the main point is......someone has lost a life National Service is a great idea, im a law abiding citizen and i am 22 if i had to do National Service i would welcome it with open arms.
Well, Anon, maybe you should just enlist in the regular or volunteer reserve element of HM Forces if you are that keen to serve.
I know that the armed forces do not want the type of young people that commit these crimes, but am convinced something needs to be done. For a start, why not impose discipline at home & in schools? Then, maybe we should make life imprisonment mean what it says, & do away with early release schemes, & make inmates serve the sentence imposed.
But, of course, all this is against the human rights of those concerned. we need to consider the law-abiding majority, not the moronic, criminal minority.
With that, I step down from my soapbox & walk away....
Posted by: cllr neville watson, canvey island on 9:19pm Sat 5 Jul 08
Having served in the Army what makes any body out there think that the best Army in the world wants them?
Having served in the Army what makes any body out there think that the best Army in the world wants them?
Posted by: You're still stupid, And tedious to boot on 12:36am Sun 6 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hugh[/bold] wrote:
'You're stupid' epitomises the level of intelligence required to actually put forward a decent posting on such a Anti Social subject, (no intelligence at all), and it shows in what has been written.
It also highlights his/her lack of ability and education in not being able to express oneself without recourse to Foul and Abusive language. What a shame.[/quote] LOL. Could you be a little more pompous do you think?
Hugh wrote:
'You're stupid' epitomises the level of intelligence required to actually put forward a decent posting on such a Anti Social subject, (no intelligence at all), and it shows in what has been written.
It also highlights his/her lack of ability and education in not being able to express oneself without recourse to Foul and Abusive language. What a shame.
LOL. Could you be a little more pompous do you think?
Posted by: John on 11:50am Sun 6 Jul 08
[quote][bold]You're still stupid[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Hugh[/bold] wrote: 'You're stupid' epitomises the level of intelligence required to actually put forward a decent posting on such a Anti Social subject, (no intelligence at all), and it shows in what has been written. It also highlights his/her lack of ability and education in not being able to express oneself without recourse to Foul and Abusive language. What a shame.[/quote] LOL. Could you be a little more pompous do you think?[/quote] It's true though 'You're still stupid', very apt name.
You're still stupid wrote:
Hugh wrote: 'You're stupid' epitomises the level of intelligence required to actually put forward a decent posting on such a Anti Social subject, (no intelligence at all), and it shows in what has been written. It also highlights his/her lack of ability and education in not being able to express oneself without recourse to Foul and Abusive language. What a shame.
LOL. Could you be a little more pompous do you think?
It's true though 'You're still stupid', very apt name.
Posted by: Les, Basildon on 12:27pm Sun 6 Jul 08
Having served time in Approved School, Detention Centre, Borstal and then YP before seeing the light. I can confirm prison does work, or it did in those days. The short sharp shock was the only thing that kept us off the street. It was the only thing that made us think before going too far. Even in the 60s and 70s the do gooders were moaning that prison doesnt work! Nothing works, but prison is a whole lot closer than anything else by a million miles and it does protect the public. You're not talking about educating intelligent human beings. We were animals surviving in our own bad worlds and nothing, not a thing could change our minds that the world never did owe us a favour after all, until we were good and ready to see the light! Until that time imprisonment and the bobby on the beat was our only fear and the only thing that came close to curbing our badness. Discipline is the key and always has been. Not perfect but it's the only thing we will ever have. Stop treating yobs, criminals and thugs like *normal* human beings, we're not! We have hundreds and thousands of ex cons who have seen the light throughout the world, and are now on the straight and narrow living good, respectable lives. Why does no one ever ask US WHAT WORKS and what doesnt? I can tell you molly coddling just breeds contempt.
Having served time in Approved School, Detention Centre, Borstal and then YP before seeing the light. I can confirm prison does work, or it did in those days. The short sharp shock was the only thing that kept us off the street. It was the only thing that made us think before going too far. Even in the 60s and 70s the do gooders were moaning that prison doesnt work! Nothing works, but prison is a whole lot closer than anything else by a million miles and it does protect the public. You're not talking about educating intelligent human beings. We were animals surviving in our own bad worlds and nothing, not a thing could change our minds that the world never did owe us a favour after all, until we were good and ready to see the light! Until that time imprisonment and the bobby on the beat was our only fear and the only thing that came close to curbing our badness. Discipline is the key and always has been. Not perfect but it's the only thing we will ever have. Stop treating yobs, criminals and thugs like *normal* human beings, we're not! We have hundreds and thousands of ex cons who have seen the light throughout the world, and are now on the straight and narrow living good, respectable lives. Why does no one ever ask US WHAT WORKS and what doesnt? I can tell you molly coddling just breeds contempt.
Posted by: Bosniavet, Westcliff on 8:47pm Sun 6 Jul 08
Les, I think your comments sum it all up. We need to go back to how things were, & actually make imprisonment/detenti
on as unattractive as possible. Can I ask if you have spoken to today's youth about your experiences, maybe you should.....
Les, I think your comments sum it all up. We need to go back to how things were, & actually make imprisonment/detenti
on as unattractive as possible. Can I ask if you have spoken to today's youth about your experiences, maybe you should.....
Posted by: Les, Basildon on 10:42pm Sun 6 Jul 08
Talking to the kids is no solution, though it's a great thing to do. We learn quickest from a bad experience ie: punishment. Generally that's all that will work. Something in our makeup as teens makes us real stupid so logic has never worked and never will. Knives and other weapons are generally carried for protection, not offence. If you think we adults are scared of the streets, imagine how the kids themselves feel? We can't just say "dont carry weapons" and really expect it to work. The kids HAVE TO hit the streets & they dont want to do it unarmed, who can blame them! We need to defend the kids from each other so they are not forced into a never ending spiral. If we defend the kids, we defend ourselves. Our ONLY defence is prison and punishment that fits the crime.
Talking to the kids is no solution, though it's a great thing to do. We learn quickest from a bad experience ie: punishment. Generally that's all that will work. Something in our makeup as teens makes us real stupid so logic has never worked and never will. Knives and other weapons are generally carried for protection, not offence. If you think we adults are scared of the streets, imagine how the kids themselves feel? We can't just say "dont carry weapons" and really expect it to work. The kids HAVE TO hit the streets & they dont want to do it unarmed, who can blame them! We need to defend the kids from each other so they are not forced into a never ending spiral. If we defend the kids, we defend ourselves. Our ONLY defence is prison and punishment that fits the crime.
Posted by: You're still stupid, And tedious to boot on 10:15pm Thu 10 Jul 08
[quote]It's true though 'You're still stupid', very apt name.[/quote] Awwwwwwww fanks John. Big kiss.
It's true though 'You're still stupid', very apt name.
Awwwwwwww fanks John. Big kiss.
Posted by: John on 9:53am Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]You're still stupid[/bold] wrote:
[quote]It's true though 'You're still stupid', very apt name.[/quote] Awwwwwwww fanks John. Big kiss.[/quote] As I said before, a apt name. Did you have to look 'apt' up in a dictionary, how long did it take for you to work out how to use a dictionary.
You're still stupid wrote:
It's true though 'You're still stupid', very apt name.
Awwwwwwww fanks John. Big kiss.
As I said before, a apt name. Did you have to look 'apt' up in a dictionary, how long did it take for you to work out how to use a dictionary.
Posted by: You're still stupid, AND, probably the saddest f ucker on the Echo site yet John. Nice one! on 8:26pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]You\'re still stupid[/bold] wrote:
[quote]It\'s true though \'You\'re still stupid\', very apt name.[/quote] Awwwwwwww fanks John. Big kiss.[/quote] As I said before, a apt name. Did you have to look \'apt\' up in a dictionary, how long did it take for you to work out how to use a dictionary.[/quote] 'Apt'? Short for 'apartment' innit John?
Lotsa love you gorgeous thing you.
John wrote:
You\'re still stupid wrote:
It\'s true though \'You\'re still stupid\', very apt name.
Awwwwwwww fanks John. Big kiss.
As I said before, a apt name. Did you have to look \'apt\' up in a dictionary, how long did it take for you to work out how to use a dictionary.
'Apt'? Short for 'apartment' innit John?
Lotsa love you gorgeous thing you.
Posted by: Tony on 10:06pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]You're still stupid, AND[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]You\'re still stupid[/bold] wrote: [quote]It\'s true though \'You\'re still stupid\', very apt name.[/quote] Awwwwwwww fanks John. Big kiss.[/quote] As I said before, a apt name. Did you have to look \'apt\' up in a dictionary, how long did it take for you to work out how to use a dictionary.[/quote] 'Apt'? Short for 'apartment' innit John? Lotsa love you gorgeous thing you.[/quote] It's better to keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot then open you mouth and prove it.
You're still stupid, AND wrote:
John wrote: You\'re still stupid wrote: It\'s true though \'You\'re still stupid\', very apt name.
Awwwwwwww fanks John. Big kiss.
As I said before, a apt name. Did you have to look \'apt\' up in a dictionary, how long did it take for you to work out how to use a dictionary.
'Apt'? Short for 'apartment' innit John? Lotsa love you gorgeous thing you.
It's better to keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot then open you mouth and prove it.
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